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olympic
01-13-2013, 05:08 PM
Question to all -

Which LP was better for Debi Thomas - '88 Olympics OR '88 Worlds? I'm sure both were ones she'd like to forget, but if you had to choose one as 'better', which would it be? I'd choose the '88 Worlds LP. She at least hit a clean opening combo and squeaked out the 3loop.

TheIronLady
01-13-2013, 10:48 PM
Claudia Leistner was an awkward giraffe. She needed someone to tone down her loud German tastes and arm movements.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5C9s0nhPEU

muffinbiscuit
01-13-2013, 11:00 PM
[QUOTE=Vash01;3791613]The only more difficult thing Boitano did in the Olympics (than Orser's 88 worlds) was the 3f3t combination, which even men were not doing at that time.

And, the 'tano lutz

TheIronLady
01-13-2013, 11:06 PM
Question to all -

Which LP was better for Debi Thomas - '88 Olympics OR '88 Worlds? I'm sure both were ones she'd like to forget, but if you had to choose one as 'better', which would it be? I'd choose the '88 Worlds LP. She at least hit a clean opening combo and squeaked out the 3loop.

The Calgary program was a more serious disaster as a performance because she appeared so crushed and broken during the program.

Maofan7
01-14-2013, 09:05 PM
Pairs Medal Ceremony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6drdyNjji-g)

Karyn Garossino & Rod Garossino (Canada) - OSP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2j1GB7sWs0), Karyn Garossino & Rod Garossino - FD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtuCC8u5pps) - 11th in the Ice Dance

Melanie Cole & Michael Farrington (Canada) - FD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkC7K-WkzBs) - 15th in the Ice Dance

Neil Paterson (Canada) - SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy9o4WaJQ8s), Neil Paterson - FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyE5xIZWaPg) - 13th in the Men's competition

Men's Compulsory Figures (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wm11uPHym0)

Seerek
01-14-2013, 10:14 PM
They also had a "fours" exhibition by Benning & Johnston and Hough & Ladret in 1988 - not sure if it was meant as an attempt to establish international competitions for fours (it had been part of the Canadian Championships)

Maofan7
01-14-2013, 10:42 PM
They also had a "fours" exhibition by Benning & Johnston and Hough & Ladret in 1988 - not sure if it was meant as an attempt to establish international competitions for fours (it had been part of the Canadian Championships)

They did undeed. Here it is:-

Benning & Johnston and Hough & Ladret - "Fours" Exhibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpfBn0KmaR8)

Vash01
01-16-2013, 12:38 AM
Question to all -

Which LP was better for Debi Thomas - '88 Olympics OR '88 Worlds? I'm sure both were ones she'd like to forget, but if you had to choose one as 'better', which would it be? I'd choose the '88 Worlds LP. She at least hit a clean opening combo and squeaked out the 3loop.

At the Olympics she two footed her intended 3t-3t combination and she lost the energy in her skating. At worlds she did a safer 3t-2t combination and she was OK after that, but then she made mistakes and lost. However, the worlds skate was less of a disaster, particularly emotionally for her. She seemed to be in a shock when she placed 3rd at the Olympics, but at worlds she seemed to expect the 3rd place, based on how she skated.

Vash01
01-16-2013, 12:39 AM
They also had a "fours" exhibition by Benning & Johnston and Hough & Ladret in 1988 - not sure if it was meant as an attempt to establish international competitions for fours (it had been part of the Canadian Championships)

I don't believe that was the intention. I think they just wanted to skate an entertaining fours program, particularly since the Olympics were in Canada.

matti
01-16-2013, 12:53 AM
Boitano made a big big mistake in his Olympic skate: he two-footed his second triple axel (only jumps landed on one foot counted at the time). BB 2-footed his death drop as well...

DarrellH
01-16-2013, 02:39 PM
Question...at what point did a World's, following an Olympics, become a throw-away? This one seems like one of the last to have the Olympic Gold medalists still competing.

Erin
01-16-2013, 04:11 PM
The gold medalists all showed up in 1992 as well, although a couple of other medalists were not - the Duchesnays (injured I think) and Paul Wylie (who was not actually named to the US team to allow the assignments to be split between him and Mark Mitchell).

I think the tide turned in 1994, probably due to a combination of returning pros who almost all skipped worlds, older skaters who had hung on for another two years and were ready to be done (eg Browning), and possibly the increased pro opportinities.

DarrellH
01-16-2013, 05:45 PM
The gold medalists all showed up in 1992 as well, although a couple of other medalists were not - the Duchesnays (injured I think) and Paul Wylie (who was not actually named to the US team to allow the assignments to be split between him and Mark Mitchell).

I think the tide turned in 1994, probably due to a combination of returning pros who almost all skipped worlds, older skaters who had hung on for another two years and were ready to be done (eg Browning), and possibly the increased pro opportinities.

I remember that! Paul was interviewed after getting his medal, and said he was not asked to go to Worlds, but was open. (My favorite memory was seeing him interviewed while walking backstage. He looked at the camera while walking and said "Disney? I don't think so.")

judgejudy27
01-16-2013, 05:58 PM
The gold medalists all showed up in 1992 as well, although a couple of other medalists were not - the Duchesnays (injured I think) and Paul Wylie (who was not actually named to the US team to allow the assignments to be split between him and Mark Mitchell).

I think the tide turned in 1994, probably due to a combination of returning pros who almost all skipped worlds, older skaters who had hung on for another two years and were ready to be done (eg Browning), and possibly the increased pro opportinities.


94 Worlds:

Pairs- Gordeeva & Grinkov and Miskutienok & Dmitriev no showed. I fully expected G&G not to go as I knew they were only back for Oly Gold, but am surprised at M&D given that they competed in the Goodwill Games as amateurs later that summer. Why miss Worlds but do the Goodwill Games.

Men- Petrenko, Browning, Browning, all no showed. Fully expected Boitano not to show. I am a bit surprised at Petrenko, as he had only won Worlds once, and he had left amateur young, I thought he might even stay until 95 Worlds or so, as other than the bad Olympic short program his comeback had gone well. Browning only stayed in for another Olympic shot after the Albertville disaester, so I am not surprised he didnt show, especialy after another dissapointing Olympics.

Dance- Torvill & Dean and Usova & Zhulin no showed. I knew T&D probably wouldnt, another back only for Oly Gold chance. Usova & Zhulin surprised me a bit, I thought they might even go past 1994, and they had won Worlds only once. I think they didnt show in part because they were so immensely dissapointed with losing the Oly Gold to G&P (and T&D for the same reason). Also after Europeans and the Olympics they saw the writing on the wall who the Rus. fed was now favoring, and there is no point even trying to fight against that. Had they known G&P would fall in their FD they probably would have gone though, as the judges would have now had to give them their 2nd World title had they stayed on their feet.

Ladies- Bauil, Kerrigan, Witt, and Harding all no showed. I thought Witt might compete at one last Worlds just for the fun of it. Anyway with the depleted field it turned out she might have even had an outside medal shot. Her comeback wasnt ever about serious medal aspirations at the Olympics like other 80s comebackers. Bauil surprised me not going to Worlds actually, and shocked me by already going pro it turned out. Kerrigan I sort of knew wouldnt show, but IMO she should have, she would have been a heavy favorite to win and she never managed a World title in her career. Harding was an obvoius no show for a horde of reasons. Chen had to withdraw with injury after showing up to compete as well.

DarrellH
01-16-2013, 06:23 PM
Thanks for that, Judgejudy27!