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Karina1974
12-19-2012, 12:22 PM
I would not want dogs of any size brought to comfort or console me. I know that Americans think dogs are the greatest thing in the universe for absolutely everything, but there are still a few people out there who just don't want them around and would not find their presence at all helpful. There are also those that are allergic.

OK, we all get it. You are not one of the survivors of this incident, though, so why you need to go on and on about your own fears about dogs is beyond me (& others I'm sure). The fact that they are doing this is really none of your concern, so stop making a big deal over it, because it doesn't affect you personally. And even if you were a survivor of the shooting, they don't force anyone to interact with the dogs, & you wouldn't be hurting anyone's feelings when you tell them you want no part of it.

BlueRidge
12-19-2012, 12:56 PM
I read a story in the newspaper today that started out by saying "some sources" (unidentified) suggested that the killer had Asperger's. The story then had quotes from four different psychologists essentially saying that there was no evidence they knew of that he was diagnosed as such, and even if he was, the chances that it had anything to do with his actions were pretty much zero.

IMHO the editor who let that non-story get into print made a really bad judgement call.

ITA. I heard from a counselor that the Asperger's community as she called it is very concerned about it being linked to the shooter with no evidence.

I'm just not seeing anything in the media's reports of what may be known about the shooter that provides any information that I think could allow people to diagnose what the shooter may have suffered from, if that were ever a good idea anyway.

I did see the no-pain syndrome thing but I don't know what that was based on. I know nothing about that but the NY Times recently had an article about a girl suffering from it and it was all about how she had to constantly be protected from hurting herself.

Susan1
12-19-2012, 01:53 PM
Especially, since everybody wants that bit of fame and maybe, just maybe, be on TV so the cousin of the next door neighbor's best friend's uncle has some tidbit of information to offer the press.

And our local media is absolutely disgusting. Even before they knew a local couple are the grandparents of one of the victims, they had a crew go to CT to report on the shooting. Why in the world do local stations from all over the country have to do this to just stand outside and talk about it. All the major networks are there. All the cable news stations are there. Stay home and stay out of the way.

And to top it off, they converged on the grandparents neighborhood to try to talk to people here. Why? Vultures!!!! Giving reports standing across the street from their church. Fortunately, the church referred them to the website for prayers. Geez.

cruisin
12-19-2012, 02:40 PM
Everything I have read has said that mass shooters are actually difficult to classify, other than they are typically white males and seem to fit into three general categories: revenge killings (killing people they know and possibly others who happen to be around); representative killings (murdering representatives of a type of people who have supposedly injured the killer) and complete strangers (because the whole world is against the killer, so it doesn't matter who dies). And most of them suffer from some form of paranoia.

From what I've read, that seems to be similar for serial killers. I wonder if there is an overlap. As in one chooses to kill in a spaced out manner, another all at once.


I thought it was more interesting--and possibly significant, if true--that he had a condition that didn't allow him to feel pain.

That came from two fairly "reliable" sources. The councilor for his club and a man the mother spoke to, shortly before he went on his rampage. I believe she told her friend that he had taken to burning himself with a lighter, in order to feel something.


So some of my grandchildren go to elementary school in NC, 5th and 3rd grades. They were both home sick today. Principal sent an email that some kid brought a BB gun to show to his friend, police were called, etc. etc. GAH.

Unbelievable! His parents allowed it?

I think it's pretty difficult to diagnose Aspergers after the fact. Yes, he may have had some apparent symptoms, but those are symptoms of other disorders. People with Aspergers are not usually violent, in any way. I don't know that any realistic diagnosis can be made forensically. We can speculate and guess. But, realistically, we know he was sick. We know this because we (as rational humans) cannot conceive of doing what he did. We have reports of his mother, family members, class mates describing strange behavior. But, we don't know why he snapped, he just did. I wonder if they will do an autopsy and focus on his brain. Look for physical/chemical abnormalities that could have caused his illness.

Sparks
12-19-2012, 03:36 PM
ITA. I heard from a counselor that the Asperger's community as she called it is very concerned about it being linked to the shooter with no evidence.

I'm just not seeing anything in the media's reports of what may be known about the shooter that provides any information that I think could allow people to diagnose what the shooter may have suffered from, if that were ever a good idea anyway.

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This, this, THIS!

skatesindreams
12-19-2012, 03:43 PM
I wonder if they will do an autopsy and focus on his brain. Look for physical/chemical abnormalities that could have caused his illness.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta. of CNN; and a Neurosurgeon, said that it is being done.

BlueRidge
12-19-2012, 03:59 PM
Here is an article on counseling children:

When the unthinkable happens: Counseling children following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting (http://ct.counseling.org/2012/12/when-the-unthinkable-happens-counseling-children-following-the-sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting/)


Del Vecchio-Scully says the impact of the trauma and the mental health needs of communities are layered like concentric circles.

“The inner circle includes the children, school staff and first responders who witnessed the event and/or the crime scene, as well as the officials who informed the families of the death of their loved ones,” she says. “Next are the parents of the surviving children and those whose children were killed. On the more outer rim of the circle is the rest of the greater Newtown community and the entire Connecticut community.”

The fourth layer includes the general public watching the tragedy unfold in the news media and through social media who are vicariously impacted, Del Vecchio-Scully says.

Sparks
12-19-2012, 04:31 PM
A PTA Mom's response to Huckabee. (http://educatefortexas.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/an-open-letter-from-a-pta-mom-to-mike-huckabee-a-message-for-those-who-long-for-gods-presence-in-schools/)
Quite touching...

Vash01
12-19-2012, 04:38 PM
A beautiful sculpture to honor the victims:

http://ireport.cnn.com/open-story.jspa?openStoryID=898924&hpt=hp_t2#DOC-898485

People/strangers are looking for ways to honor the victims in their own way. Read the article above.

I am planning to give a speech in my Toastmasters club tomorrow about the tragedy. The purpose of the speech is to 'Uplift the spirits'. I hope can do that.

Sylvia
12-19-2012, 05:14 PM
Thanks for posting, Vash01! There are many uplifting stories of people helping others in the wake of the Newtown tragedy. Here's one article about Ann Curry's #26Acts of Kindness for Sandy Hook idea (you can search the #26Acts hashtag on Twitter for what people are doing): http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/12/19/acts-kindness-sandy-hook-shooting

Also:
'If you do good, you'll feel good': Ann Curry explains origins of #26Acts of Kindness (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/18/15999109-if-you-do-good-youll-feel-good-ann-curry-explains-origins-of-26acts-of-kindness?lite)

lulu
12-19-2012, 05:16 PM
A PTA Mom's response to Huckabee. (http://educatefortexas.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/an-open-letter-from-a-pta-mom-to-mike-huckabee-a-message-for-those-who-long-for-gods-presence-in-schools/)
Quite touching...

Thank you for finding and sharing that touching and eloquent letter with us.

Vash01
12-19-2012, 05:20 PM
Thanks for posting, Vash01! There are many uplifting stories of people helping others in the wake of the Newtown tragedy. Here's one article about Ann Curry's #26Acts of Kindness for Sandy Hook idea (you can search the #26Acts hashtag on Twitter for what people are doing): http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/12/19/acts-kindness-sandy-hook-shooting

Also:
'If you do good, you'll feel good': Ann Curry explains origins of #26Acts of Kindness (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/18/15999109-if-you-do-good-youll-feel-good-ann-curry-explains-origins-of-26acts-of-kindness?lite)

I saw the '26 acts...' article yesterday. If there is a silver lining to this dark cloud, it's bringing out some of the best qualities in others. Of course I would rather see the victims alive, but that is not possible, so we do the best we can.

Vash01
12-19-2012, 05:25 PM
A PTA Mom's response to Huckabee. (http://educatefortexas.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/an-open-letter-from-a-pta-mom-to-mike-huckabee-a-message-for-those-who-long-for-gods-presence-in-schools/)
Quite touching...

Great letter. Thanks for the link, but what is a PTA mom?

skatingfan5
12-19-2012, 05:30 PM
Great letter. Thanks for the link, but what is a PTA mom?:confused: I'm assuming she is a mother who is a member of the PTA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parent-Teacher_Association) (Parent-Teacher Association) which many (if not most) schools still have. I'm not sure what other possible meaning PTA would have in this context.

Vash01
12-19-2012, 05:34 PM
:confused: I'm assuming she is a mother who is a member of the PTA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parent-Teacher_Association) (Parent-Teacher Association) which many (if not most) schools still have. I'm not sure what other possible meaning PTA would have in this context.

That sounds correct. Since I am not a parent, it was hard for me to pick up that.