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marikat
10-29-2012, 11:34 AM
BTW I'm dying to see the medal ceremony, isn't there a video out there somewhere?!

Whole FD event here, also part of the medal ceremony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXdN_1yO13I&feature=plcp

pani
10-29-2012, 03:17 PM
Whole FD event here, also part of the medal ceremony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXdN_1yO13I&feature=plcp

Thanks!


i was watching it too right now...
Pedrazzini (the man) was clapping... "i enjoyed every single move, look and idea of this program. it's a Carmen that goes beyond the original concept. it is seen in a new way, different but...incredible." He commented that the moves into the twizzle are taken from modern dance. He personally likes when classic pieces are done with a contemporary interpretation, but keeping the intensity and energy. Despite their difficult and different positions he felt the intensity.
Could you tell, please, what italian commentators said about Anna and Luca Carmen :)

puglover
10-29-2012, 03:26 PM
I refuse to be drawn into any negative thinking or second guessing of their programs this year. They are simply amazing. I would assume, the more difficult the dance, the harder it is to hit all of the points they need to get the levels and that will come as the year progresses. People are talking because they are that good and that will always make them a target. I agree with jl22aries - I must discipline myself to stay out of the pbp. It is just too mean - not just because I am a Tessa and Scott uber but for all the skaters - I get that we are all partial to our favourites and that constructive criticism is okay - but I feel it goes way beyond that. Tessa and Scott's Carmen may appeal to a younger audience as it is "smokin" but I am not young (grandmother of 8 - almost 9) and I love it!

Macassar88
10-29-2012, 03:29 PM
Whole FD event here, also part of the medal ceremony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXdN_1yO13I&feature=plcp

The tech controller only kissed Luca :skandal:sekret:

pingu
10-29-2012, 03:49 PM
Could you tell, please, what italian commentators said about Anna and Luca Carmen :)

Arianna Secondini: Thank you for giving us so many emotions, Anna and Luca. They did a terrific Carmen. They are second after the Short Dance. They are only 0.01 points from Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir, and they both have Carmen. Fabrizio, what do you think?
Fabrizio Pedrazzini: It's an amazing program, and extraordinary Carmen. I think that Anna is PERFECT for this program. The technical elements are beautiful. Look how their skates are always have the correct angle with the ice surface during the turns. And the interpretation...Anna is great in this role, she is fabulous in this character. Luca is (portraying) an amazing character as well.


I just wrote their comments about the programs, he was also counting the turns on the twizzles and lifts during the commentary, and then they were talking about the scores, but I guess you guys only want to kno what they think about C/L's Carmen :)

aka_gerbil
10-29-2012, 04:14 PM
I refuse to be drawn into any negative thinking or second guessing of their programs this year. They are simply amazing. I would assume, the more difficult the dance, the harder it is to hit all of the points they need to get the levels and that will come as the year progresses.

The only thing I would change about either program is the lift in the SD. It's the lift Scott got hurt on, and now that they had trouble with it in competetion, it needs to go.

It's very true that the harder a program is, the harder it is to hit everything and skate it perfectly clean--ESPECIALLY this early in the season on their first outings. I remember back in the late 1990's when Linichuk's teams would always struggle in the fall because the programs were so difficult. I believe it was maybe Platov who said that the dances were so hard, they literally couldn't do them yet. But, when championship time rolled around, it paid off.

Besides these programs being very difficult, it's also important to keep in mind that Tessa was not 100%, especially for the FD, and they started off the SD with Scott accidentally hitting Tessa. That had to have thrown them off their game. They'll be in better form at CoR.

I also refuse to be drawn into any negativity about the programs. I think we all knew that no matter what V/M skated to, no matter how well they skated it, there was going to be a certain subset of people who were going to dislike the programs just because it's V/M. The thing to keep in mind about the FD is that although there are a few detractors, the response has been overall HUGELY positive. Not only are people calling this V/M's best FD and the best FD of the year, people are saying this is the best FD anyone has done in a long time. It's winning over people I thought V/M would never win over. This program is special. I have watched it again and again and again. In the past, usually the first thing I was drawn to about V/M were their cleanliness and the execution of their elements. This time, I'm far more drawn to the performance as a whole. It took a lot of watching before I could actually really get myself to analyze the technical details. The thing that blows my mind is that it may be one of the most, if not the most, difficult FDs ever attempted, but the elements are the last thing on my mind when watching. They're so integrated into the dance and part of telling the story that the last thing you're doing is playing connect-the-elements. The past I don't know how many years, the majority of FD have been all about the technical requirements, with the presenation taking a backseat role. This is a reverse; it's a super difficult program, but the elements aren't the focus of the program. THIS is the kind of program that made me fall in love with ice dance going on 21 years ago, and I'd feared I'd never see something of that sort again. Everything I felt that IJS has stripped from ice dance has come back in this program. And, speaking of judging, it doesn't matter what kind of judging system this was created under--it would be a winner and a masterpiece under either IJS or 6.0 or a scale somehow devised on green M&M's...

Like some of the rest of you, I think we're seeing a lot of those pearl-clutching comments that have popped up have come up more because of sour grapes than anything else--jealousy that their team doesn't have this program and jealousy that their team couldn't do this program. People are going to have their fits. They'll throw the cheap shot and try to call it porn. They'll try to go after the SD (a brilliant piece of choreography in it's own right).

On a general note, when it comes to the discussion of Zoueva's choroegraphy this year, I think she's 3/4 right now (and I'm dying to see the Shibutani's programs now). Just based strictly on the choreography alone, leaving out the skaters, how well the program was skated, etc., both of V/M's programs and D/W's short dance are all solid pieces. When the first practice video came out of D/W's FD, I liked what I saw, but I thought that the whole program was a bit of a mess construction wise (3 lifts in a row?). Unlike the other 3, it's also in the vein of the "let's string some elements together and collect some points." To give benefit of the doubt, my hunch is that D/W's original Sinatra FD was likely put together better. For the purposes of my own opinion on all of this, I think I'll know better my feelings on that one once I see the Shibutani's programs. If their programs also come out well-constructed, I'm definitely going with my hunch on the Sinatra FD. At any rate, for me, when it comes to Marina vs. Igor on choreography, Marina is winning this hands down right now.

martyross
10-29-2012, 04:31 PM
Shpilband's shot about judges' preference sounds so childish. but it must be more than pride. he might be afraid to lose potential clients if his work for Carmen is perceived as inferior.

Shayii
10-29-2012, 04:58 PM
Whole FD event here, also part of the medal ceremony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXdN_1yO13I&feature=plcp

Oh my gosh, I love you!! Thank you!

marikat
10-29-2012, 05:08 PM
Oh my gosh, I love you!! Thank you!
:lol: you're welcome!

pani
10-29-2012, 05:08 PM
Arianna Secondini: Thank you for giving us so many emotions, Anna and Luca. They did a terrific Carmen. They are second after the Short Dance. They are only 0.01 points from Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir, and they both have Carmen. Fabrizio, what do you think?
Fabrizio Pedrazzini: It's an amazing program, and extraordinary Carmen. I think that Anna is PERFECT for this program. The technical elements are beautiful. Look how their skates are always have the correct angle with the ice surface during the turns. And the interpretation...Anna is great in this role, she is fabulous in this character. Luca is (portraying) an amazing character as well.


I just wrote their comments about the programs, he was also counting the turns on the twizzles and lifts during the commentary, and then they were talking about the scores, but I guess you guys only want to kno what they think about C/L's Carmen :)

Thanks!

sequins
10-29-2012, 05:15 PM
Just thinking today about the criticism, which there is much less of then there is praise, yet somehow it's always the 'louder'of the 2. Let's face it as much as criticism bothers me/you whoever it would be worse if they said nothing at all or were all positive. You don't criticize someone in this sport unless you feel threatened by then, unless you're trying to gain ground on them or prevent them from gaining ground on you. So I'm going to take it as a compliment because I figure if V/M were ranked 20th in the world it would be all love for this program but Olys are coming and everyones trying to position themselves. That said Igor's comments still bug me.

Cherub721
10-29-2012, 05:23 PM
THIS is the kind of program that made me fall in love with ice dance going on 21 years ago, and I'd feared I'd never see something of that sort again. Everything I felt that IJS has stripped from ice dance has come back in this program. And, speaking of judging, it doesn't matter what kind of judging system this was created under--it would be a winner and a masterpiece under either IJS or 6.0 or a scale somehow devised on green M&M's...


Agree with 100% of your post, but especially this... :respec:

pani
10-29-2012, 05:24 PM
Guys, why you didnt pay attention on postitvecoments about "Carmen"? Did you think "Bolero" didnt have haters.

sap5
10-29-2012, 05:31 PM
One of my fav things about the FD is how it takes advantage of V/M's strengths. There is a lot of choreography in there that shows off qualities that are unique to the team, and even to the individual skaters. It's not generic at all. I can't imagine another team skate this program, unlike some past Shpilband/Zoueva programs.

sequins
10-29-2012, 05:40 PM
THIS is the kind of program that made me fall in love with ice dance going on 21 years ago, and I'd feared I'd never see something of that sort again. Everything I felt that IJS has stripped from ice dance has come back in this program. And, speaking of judging, it doesn't matter what kind of judging system this was created under--it would be a winner and a masterpiece under either IJS or 6.0 or a scale somehow devised on green M&M's...


Can I second the:respec:. It totally brings back memories of those days. Also with the 'uplifting' rule I thought there was no chance of ever seeing a program like this again.Thank goodness for V/M and 'Carmen'.