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Cherub721
10-29-2012, 01:47 AM
Sorry to be blunt but it doesn't surprise me that certain factions would find this dance pornographic. Their favorite couple has so little chemistry that they have to choreograph their post-skate reaction. They know their faves will never try anything remotely sexual, because it would look ridiculous, so it's easy to bash that style.


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I hope they don't change anything about the SD except for the lift that has been giving them problems. And even if they have to re-work the SD somewhat, even that doesn't bother me.

I doubt they will change it, except for the lift. They shouldn't. If you watched dance long enough you'll recall Denkova & Staviyski's gorgeous 2003 Baroque OD. They were unceremoniously dumped to 4th at Skate Canada after being 5th at Worlds, and everyone was freaking out that although their OD was beautiful, it was illegal because it was really a minuet and it wasn't the proper grand ballroom style and their FD was horrible too and they should just make the OD into an FD. They didn't change anything, won the bronze at Worlds, and that Baroque OD is regarded by many as one of the greatest dances of all time.

iNap
10-29-2012, 02:00 AM
D-W still work on first base. T-S show third base. Marina come up with greate ideas and play all these games. But Igor laugh in the end because he hit home run on tecnik :D

Shayii
10-29-2012, 02:16 AM
Lol and here I was hoping they would kick up the sexualness another notch. Anyways I just watched the dance again, I love it so much!! How long until CoR again?

BTW I'm dying to see the medal ceremony, isn't there a video out there somewhere?!

Misha thanks for all the updates on your website!

ETA: I think it's time to finally use the ignore button.

Proustable
10-29-2012, 03:14 AM
D-W still work on first base. T-S show third base. Marina come up with greate ideas and play all these games. But Igor laugh in the end because he hit home run on tecnik :D

C/L at 2012 Skate Canada: 32.44 (TES SD) and 44.63 (TES FD)
C/L at 2011 Skate Canada: 30.50 (TES SD) and 46.01 (TES FD)

Overall improvement: 0.56

They definitely have higher PCS, but I don't see that much improvement from them there (I think their programs last season were better, so consider that too)

whoa
10-29-2012, 03:18 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but a link to the NBC broadcast in delicious 1080p format:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTS5ulu4ae0

ddtpdx
10-29-2012, 03:46 AM
Not sure if the SD coverage by B ESP has been posted here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYvsgsPQ7ww&list=UUpmadplEROgHA_9m0Cse1Gg&index=1&feature=plcp

usually I like their commentary...but they have to get their facts straight (about T/S moving away from Igor...)

Bournekraatzfan
10-29-2012, 04:40 AM
Thanks:)You explained my thought better than I. I'm just having a bad day I think.

oh, no, I thought you explained it really well! I just brought it up again because I thought you made a very interesting point, one with which I agree. :) and btw, I feel the same way about Rod's dreadful commentary as you do.


Great Posts Golightly and BKFan

The narrow mental confines of some of the posters on this and other boards is mind boggling. And I dont mean prudishness alone. Its like they are in a time and space warp and anything different from their perception is not acceptable.


Because this is about a competition, it wouldn't surprise me if the same people who object to the sexuality in Tessa and Scott's FD would embrace it if their own favorite skaters had the same choreography. ;)

I really think it's less about world-view and more about sour grapes.



Thank you. Excellent points. You have both hit on what bothers me about some of the responses to this FD. I get why some people are uncomfortable with representations of sexuality in general, or particular representations of sexuality. This particular representation/performance of sexuality may bother them for the same reason it appeals to me. My family comes from a place where colonialism functioned through sexual violence against women. That is, women's sexuality (and men's, to a lesser extent) was perverted and used as a tool against them in the acquisition of land and resources. This is just one example of why, for some, sexuality can be something that is, at least on some level, painful and/or uncomfortable: because it is associated with the power of the colonizer (but sexuality is multifarious and there is lots going on there--I just wanted to identity something important at play here). But this is why I find negotiations of sexuality like that of Tessa&Scott's Carmen so awesome--I'm drawn to that expression of Carmen's freedom. If people decide it's not for them, I am fine with that, but I don't like how some people, like you have pointed out, Emdee , say or imply that anyone who likes this FD is just someone whose fanaticism does not allow them to see it for what it really is, or are amused by cheap tricks and don't get 'real art' (yes, I saw this on another forum I took a peek at), etc.. I just don't see why it is such a problem for them that someone else responds to the something in a way that differs from their own response. Their comments are really condescending. And like you said, maggylyn, I have to wonder if the issue some people have with it is that it is being skated by Tessa&Scott and not by their favourites, whoever they happen to be.
I, too, am just thankful we have this wonderful thread:)

also, thanks for the translations, martyross, pani, m_chenning and everyone else who provided them.
and thanks to iggie, whoa, ddtpdx and everyone else for providing video links.
and I also wanted to add my congrats on your daughter getting married, puglover!

jl22aries
10-29-2012, 07:41 AM
Oh my god Shay have you not enabled your ignore button? How have you survived FSU?!!! I'm still trying to train myself to ignore the pbp threads. Why did I visit it yesterday is inexplicable, other than that I'm a masochist, still, despite my feeling like I'm old enough to know better.

pani
10-29-2012, 07:52 AM
And I think it's war between Marina and Igor. Not so good for Marina's teams.

Really? I didnt read single word from hi, about D-W this season. Maybe because Meryl send e-mails to him and Tessa didnt :lol:
He said C-L to change FD is summer - that tell me everything about him. Maybe he think T-S will never came to him, but D-W could. But he need to show, how they were wrong, when stay with Marina.
But why he huge them at SC& Let say them what you think about them, Igor :hat1:

pani
10-29-2012, 07:53 AM
Oh my god Shay have you not enabled your ignore button? How have you survived FSU?!!! I'm still trying to train myself to ignore the pbp threads. Why did I visit it yesterday is inexplicable, other than that I'm a masochist, still, despite my feeling like I'm old enough to know better.

I think most part of FSUers like Carmen.
Why we need to pay attention to D-W ubers? Yes, its scary if your team didnt have best FD. But they have best SD and with clean skating will win. What a problem?

IoanaC
10-29-2012, 08:24 AM
I think most part of FSUers like Carmen.
Why we need to pay attention to D-W ubers? Yes, its scary if your team didnt have best FD. But they have best SD and with clean skating will win. What a problem?

They have a good SD, but T&S's is just as good, IMO. The two programs create a very different atmosphere. M&C's dance is perkier, T&S's is more elegant and romantic, it has a dream-like quality which I find gorgeous. They just have to clean their levels. Hopefully they manage to improve the tech part this week, though there isn't much time left until CoR.

pani
10-29-2012, 08:33 AM
They have a good SD, but T&S's is just as good, IMO. The two programs create a very different atmosphere. M&C's dance is perkier, T&S's is more elegant and romantic, it has a dream-like quality which I find gorgeous. They just have to clean their levels. Hopefully they manage to improve the tech part this week, though there isn't much time left until CoR.

Yes, they didnt have a lot of time untill CoR. But more time before GPF.
But all that levels - its more Marina-Igor figft. Its said for me V-M need to fight for all canton against Igor. And he fight against them. Will wait what he said next time. Hnestly not good for him. Now he try to take russian journalists on his side against V-M.
Honestly i am a little nervouse about CoR, because Russians will want to push I-K too much and again - all try to get V-M out of the game, because they see who is the best.

m_chenning
10-29-2012, 08:35 AM
Really? I didnt read single word from hi, about D-W this season.
Maybe because he was not asked about D-W? ;) Let's wait, who knows what he may say . :D (joke) I think this game not particularly against T-S, all that "look, they have lost their technic , all magic is gone" only begin ;) . It will hurt T-S, D-W, S-S . It's all against Marina and duets are only collateral damage. IMHO

And I agree that T-S have lost too many points . Their have worse result than M-C in their first start. That's not a good sign. A lot of hard work ahead for Tessa and Scott

IoanaC
10-29-2012, 08:38 AM
Yes, they didnt have a lot of time untill CoR. But more time before GPF.
But all that levels - its more Marina-Igor figft. Its said for me V-M need to fight for all canton against Igor. And he fight against them. Will wait what he said next time. Hnestly not good for him. Now he try to take russian journalists on his side against V-M.
Honestly i am a little nervouse about CoR, because Russians will want to push I-K too much and again - all try to get V-M out of the game, because they see who is the best.

I agree.

martyross
10-29-2012, 09:00 AM
some people are simply holding on the only thing that, in their view, could be regarded as questionable in Carmen FD. the program is perfect and a winner, so they're just nitpicking pretending to be morally outraged, lol, and at the same time, they're trying to hinder all the positive feedbacks Carmen is receiving . it says a lot. i'm a uber and enamored with T&S but if i found something remarkable and interesting in DW's skating, i would acknowledge it. im sure many others here would do the same. strange that, instead, VM fans are painted as crazy and nasty :D. :D