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liv
10-27-2012, 03:53 AM
I think this was a slightly flawed performance right from the get go with that beginning, which threw them for a loop. I am not worried. It's not often you start your program with something that startled both of them, so it probably affected them a bit... and then the obvious troubles with the skirt/lift at the end. Lots of potential with this program. It can only grow.

Rod was just reacting to the grimace on Scott's face during the lift and knowing he had a neck problem a few weeks ago, he was concerned it may have been a problem. A valid concern upon first glance. And Scott is hardly going to say he's in terrible pain even if he was. Those are things you keep to yourself.

euterpe
10-27-2012, 03:54 AM
They (D/W) hit the levels. They skated well.

The bright side about tonight is that T&S's PCS are higher.

The PCS are higher because that was the only way the judges could keep V/M in first place.

Cherub721
10-27-2012, 03:56 AM
I am not able to figure all this out so you mean if the hit at the start & the bad lift at the end had not happened they would have been alot higher?

I didn't see their skate. I'm just saying that if they messed up a lift and didn't hit the moves required to gain better than a level 1, or if they missed key points in the yankee polka, or whatever... the technical panel has little choice but to call that. The GOEs were pretty good and the PCS were excellent, so all they have to do is clean up those technical issues and they'll be fine. It sounds like there isn't a problem with the program itself, just tonight's skate.

Golightly
10-27-2012, 03:56 AM
Right.

pani
10-27-2012, 03:57 AM
I think its OK, but they need a lot off work to do. I think its better to have problems now, then get good feedback at first competition and then get a bucket of cold water at WCh.
They have big problems with pattern. Still not understand SS level, but C-L have more steps in SS and get level 3.
Not sure- who could help them with this technikal problems? I thought they worked on it in Canad, but look like they didnt.
They look not happy, like tehy usually is from the begining. If they had so many problems in SD i think we need to be ready they will not show full potential of there FD tomorrow, because this FD is most difficult i ever saw under COP.
Good luck to them tomorrow.

beabstress
10-27-2012, 03:57 AM
I think this was a slightly flawed performance right from the get go with that beginning, which threw them for a loop. I am not worried.

I haven't seen the skate yet, but I totally agree with this. No need to panic. They're still in first, even if it's by the smallest of margins, and that will help psychologically with the FD tomorrow. Everyone has a less than stellar skate every so often, and hey--better here than at Worlds!

IoanaC
10-27-2012, 03:57 AM
The PCS are higher because that was the only way the judges could keep V/M in first place.

I'll just quote one of my fellow V/M fans: "Are you serious? You want to start this now?"

maggylyn
10-27-2012, 03:59 AM
I'd much rather they have some issues with a program right now and not later in the season. Now they can figure out how to fix these things.

I agree with all of you who are saying that last lift has to be changed.

sequins
10-27-2012, 03:59 AM
The PCS are higher because that was the only way the judges could keep V/M in first place.

:rolleyes:

Golightly
10-27-2012, 04:00 AM
Tessa did take a good hit :eek:

Cherub721
10-27-2012, 04:01 AM
I think its OK, but they need a lot off work to do. I think its better to have problems now, then get good feedback at first competition and then get a bucket of cold water at WCh.


Totally agree. Let's see what happens with the TES when they skate it clean, and take it from there.

For any of you that are attending the event, did they do any full runthroughs in practice?

ddtpdx
10-27-2012, 04:02 AM
The SD is now up on TSN for those of you in Canada to rewatch and see if you can see if there are obvious problems on twizzles or SS on replay.

IoanaC
10-27-2012, 04:02 AM
That's why it would have been great for them to compete at Finlandia... The early feed-back might have solved some of the tech problems.

sequins
10-27-2012, 04:02 AM
I'm not ready to panic by any means but I think I'd try the lift again and then decide. But then if it's an injury risk...and it is kinda awkward but in a neat, challenging sorta way maybe they should 'adjust'/change it. It looked better in practice without the skirt in the way, its too easy I think to get caught in it. Okay G-night!

Tracer
10-27-2012, 04:04 AM
After looking at the protocols, Scott was right he expects his Short Dance to be as much as 10 points higher then what it was today, so there were quite a few deductions to those elements. That lift being the key one since it was givin a 1 rating. Most if not all of their deductions happenned on the technical side. All of that can be fixed and corrected. I think this isn't too uncommon for Virtue/Moir to have these slow starts, but usually they have a pro-am event they can fine tune their programs before they hit the grand prix circuit. Sadly they had to withdraw from the Finlandia trophy which they could of used that competition to fine tune and tweak their program. So Skate Canada ended up being their first show competition and we see they need to do some tweaks. Not too surprising and people shouldn't panic about the low points of the Short Dance today.

Skate Canada hasn't been an exactly stellar showing for all 4 disiplines with huge falls in the Ladies and Men's programs. Doing it well in practice is one thing, doing it in competition day is another so there is some rust. I just wish we could have a season where skaters can skate all season long and build points throughout the year instead they have 2 events they need to score points in for the Final and then you go to the 4 continents then Worlds. Really not enough high level competitions in my opinion.

I do have some high hopes for their Free Dance, despite the problems in the Short Dance, I think tommorrow they will come out and hit it and surprise us since we did not see all their lifts, did not see all the step sequences to their new Free Dance. To me that will be the highlight of the Dance competition.