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bardtoob
10-20-2012, 04:05 AM
:wuzrobbed Wuzrobbed of my epic Midori vs Tonya face off. :mad: The competition where the Splat Incarnate infected Midori with her splattiness ... as far as I'm concerned, the most memorable thing about the Human Zamboni's career.

Erin
10-20-2012, 05:42 AM
Absolutely agree with you about dance. I love Missing Part I, and think Mirror Image, Savage Rites and Elenor Rigby are great programs as well. Missing Part II felt blah by comparision and West Side Story? I thought it was the worst free dance of their career (post 1988). How that program beat U&Z's sublime Four Seasons is beyond me. Personally my favorite free dance was by Usova & Zhulin, I would personally prefer U&Z to win the free dance, but I'd have no problems with K&P winning as well.

My perspective is a little bit different because I saw 1991 Worlds years after the fact and saw Missing II before Missing I (so I didn't have the comparison), but I loved Missing II from a pure enjoyment factor. That said, I agree that the Duchesnays did not deserve their win - they were completely outclassed technically and were lucky to be mentioned in the same breath as K&P and U&Z IMO. I also have a slight preference for U&Z winning but would have been OK with K&P.

On the men - I can see the case for Viktor, as he was just so polished and had beautiful positions and lines. But I felt like he could have done so much more and his programs completely let him down. The constant mugging and posing in his long program was a big negative when comparing him to Kurt and the program was also really empty with lots of plain stroking. The last time I re-watched this competition, I was struck by how many connecting steps and footwork Kurt had in his program, even though he didn't really become known for that kind of thing until later in his career. When you add that to the way Kurt pushed the envelope with his combinations, I have Kurt with the win, even taking into account Kurt's Zayak rule violation.

lulu
10-20-2012, 05:49 AM
:wuzrobbed Wuzrobbed of my epic Midori vs Tonya face off. :mad: The competition where the Splat Incarnate infected Midori with her splattiness ... as far as I'm concerned, the most memorable thing about the Human Zamboni's career.

Aww I like Huebert. But a battle between both Ito & Harding at their best would have been absolutely epic.

judgejudy27
10-20-2012, 06:09 AM
That was Harding's big chance to win Worlds and she blew it. She never had another chance like that ever again.

lulu
10-20-2012, 05:00 PM
Kuchiki & Sand: They trained under John Nicks, forming their partnership when she was 12 and he was 25. Despite the age between them, they placed 2nd at their first U.S. nationals in 1990. The next year, they won the title and placed 3rd at Worlds. They placed 6th at the 1992 Olympics, but dissolved their partnership just a few months later, and according to this article (http://articles.latimes.com/1992-04-09/sports/sp-207_1_kuchiki-and-sand), seemingly not under the best circumstances either. In 1993, Kuchiki returned to competition as a singles skater (http://youtu.be/NeEeuyUvYNk). She competed at U.S. nationals where she placed 12th. The next year she was back as a pairs skater, and placed 4th at U.S. nationals with Rocky Marval. Her sister, Tamara, was an ice dancer.

I enjoyed their SP at this competition, but I would assume that their bronze medal here was a bit unexpected (?)

lulu
10-20-2012, 05:46 PM
Now the other Natasha ;)
At the 1991 European Championships M&D performed a new SP to Can-Can music. However, this SP was not well received by the judges and at Worlds that year they went back to their SP for the previous year, The Dying Swan.

A.H.Black
10-20-2012, 05:56 PM
Kuchiki & Sand: They trained under John Nicks, forming their partnership when she was 12 and he was 25. Despite the age between them, they placed 2nd at their first U.S. nationals in 1990. The next year, they won the title and placed 3rd at Worlds. They placed 6th at the 1992 Olympics, but dissolved their partnership just a few months later, and according to this article (http://articles.latimes.com/1992-04-09/sports/sp-207_1_kuchiki-and-sand), seemingly not under the best circumstances either. In 1993, Kuchiki returned to competition as a singles skater (http://youtu.be/NeEeuyUvYNk). She competed at U.S. nationals where she placed 12th. The next year she was back as a pairs skater, and placed 4th at U.S. nationals with Rocky Marval. Her sister, Tamara, was an ice dancer.

I enjoyed their SP at this competition, but I would assume that their bronze medal here was a bit unexpected (?)

I think Todd Sand was having difficulty with his back and Kuchiki was growing. He alluded in an article (interview?) I read that lifting her was becoming an issue. Also, Sand and Meno were seen together at National 1992. I understand the romance grew at Albertville. It was a perfect situation for Meno/ Sand. Too bad it left Wendland and Kuchiki without partners although both have had successful careers since.

I liked Kuchiki with Rocky Marval and I still remember them in practice in Detroit 1994. I wish they might have stayed together, but there was no way their story had the public appeal that Calla and Rocky's did - truck driver and the waitress.

My memory is faulty on Bechke/Petrov. I thought this was the infamous "cats" year. The middle eastern music was awful but not as bad as the cats music. Was that music in 1990?

Marco
10-20-2012, 06:01 PM
Isn't it ironic that Ito failed to even medal at the first Worlds where figures was dropped? She totally left her best skate that season at NHK. I wish she had landed her 3lutz or 3flip and save the world from seeing that boring program from Kerrigan winning a World medal. :scream:

So glad Yamaguchi did enough to win, or alternatively that Harding didn't do enough to win. I just can't stand that kind of program (Harding) winning Worlds. Elements wise what Harding did was superb, but the music, edit and choreography was just too tacky. I was thinking if Harding did not totally botch her toe/toe combo and had done a 3/2 instead, she might have won. Her 3axel was unbelievable!

Interesting battle between Browning and Petrenko. I think the judges got it right. Petrenko really nailed that short program. It was an artistic masterpiece, even though Browning's had harder choreography. Too bad about the diff in technical merit. 3 3/3s vs no 3/3s is too obvious.

lulu
10-20-2012, 06:06 PM
My memory is faulty on Bechke/Petrov. I thought this was the infamous "cats" year. The middle eastern music was awful but not as bad as the cats music. Was that music in 1990?

The Cats sp was used for the 1989-1990 season: http://youtu.be/2zCG5cl6AzA :scream:

Thanks for the information on Kuchiki & Sand. I probably would have enjoyed Kuchiki & Marval as well.

judgejudy27
10-20-2012, 06:18 PM
Isn't it ironic that Ito failed to even medal at the first Worlds where figures was dropped? She totally left her best skate that season at NHK. I wish she had landed her 3lutz or 3flip and save the world from seeing that boring program from Kerrigan winning a World medal. :scream:

Kerrigan's performance wasnt that bad, it was actually way better than either her 92 Olympic bronze performance or 92 World silver performance I thought. Had she done one of those Ito probably still would have medaled in 91 even with her problems, and poor Yagiyuma would not have attended every Worlds from 88-95 except 94 but missed out on both the 92 and 94 Olympics.

orbitz
10-21-2012, 03:05 AM
The Cats sp was used for the 1989-1990 season: http://youtu.be/2zCG5cl6AzA :scream:



:lol: "Meow, meow, meow" wasn't considered vocal back then?

lulu
10-21-2012, 03:36 AM
:lol: "Meow, meow, meow" wasn't considered vocal back then?

:lol: I guess not. The entire time I watched the program, I kept on thinking of the "Meow Mix" cat food commercial. The costumes are pretty scary as well.
Of course a few years later B&P skated their lovely Nutcracker long program and went on to have a very successful career as professional skaters.

lulu
10-21-2012, 04:57 AM
4. Mishkutenok & Dmitriev won the first of 2 consecutive world titles at these championships, and they would go on to win the 1992 Olympic title as well. They retired after the 1991/92 season, but made a comeback for the 1993/94 season in an attempt to retain their Olympic title. However, they came up against the great Gordeeva & Grinkov (the 1988 Olympics champions), and G&G took the title. M&D's signature move was the "Natasha's spin" (named after Mishkutenok) in which Mishkutenok (who was renowned for her flexibility) would perform a split with her head turned upside down with her arm around Dmitriev's leg (whilst Dmitriev held her upraised skate), to achieve a position in which they were vertically aligned during the spin. Its included in their Liebestraum long program, which they used during both the 1990/91 and 1991/92 seasons, and with which they won both of their world titles and the Olympic gold medal. Indeed, at these championships, Canada's Isabelle Brasseur & Lloyd Eisler had taken the lead after the short program, and it was a superb performance with their Liebestraum free skate that enable Mishkutenok & Dmitriev to win both the free skate and the world title.

A little side note to your excellent summary: "Natasha's Spin" although best associated with Mishutenok & Dmitriev, was actually invented by pair of Lyndon Johnston (yes, he was named after former U.S. President) and Denise Benning. Besides the Natasha Spin, M&D were also known for the variation on death spirals, which is emphasized in their Liebestraum routine and their 1988-1989 exhibition, as seen here: http://youtu.be/yOY0VpPVO8Q?t=3m25s. The person behind many of M&D's creative moves on the ice was Tamara Moskvina, who coached M&D and the 4th place finishers, Bechke & Petrov. Moskvina also help B&P develop their signature move, the "impossible" death spiral. Moskvina herself was a figure skater, she won a silver medal at the 1969 World Championships with her partner Alexei Mishin. As a single skater, Moskvina performed the "Beillmann" spin at the 1965 European Championship, Denise Beillmann, for whom the spin would eventually be named after, was 3 years old at the time.

Vash01
10-21-2012, 09:25 AM
My memories of 91 worlds:

Midori Ito's fall into the camera pit, and then reentering the rink with a huge smile. Later though Latitia Hubert ran into her during a warmup and Midori was injured. She was almost coerced by her fed to skate the LP anyway. She skated poorly and finished off the podium. Kristi won her first world championship and the US ladies swept the podium. However, as a Midori fan, I was heartbroken for her.

M&D coming into their own, with Liebestraum. They always had the flexibility and the innovative moves, but in 91 they were able to put it all together, with one of the best pairs program ever.

Viktor Petrenko's beautiful LP which should have won on artistic marks, over Kurt Browning's 'mainly jumps' LP. Even Kurt looked shocked in the K&C when Viktor's marks went up.

Klimova failed the drug test after the Europeans and was initially disqualified, but the results from another lab were in their favor, and they were allowed to compete at worlds. However, they missed some practice time and were distracted. Still, they were good enough to beat Duschenays, IMO, even though I loved D&D's Missing. The drug episode resulted in K&P leaving Dubova (she did not believe them) and going to Tarasova. It turned out to be a great move for them, because in 92 they skated one of the best FDs of all times.

Judge Dred
10-21-2012, 11:14 AM
My memories of 91 worlds:

Midori Ito's fall into the camera pit, and then reentering the rink with a huge smile. Later though Latitia Hubert ran into her during a warmup and Midori was injured. She was almost coerced by her fed to skate the LP anyway. She skated poorly and finished off the podium. Kristi won her first world championship and the US ladies swept the podium. However, as a Midori fan, I was heartbroken for her.


Midori Ito had the crash with Hubert in the practice session before the short/original program