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olympic
10-11-2012, 11:23 PM
IMO Mirai has more talent than Ashley. If she could get her act together this year, she could make the world team, but I think the USFSA should select 'safe' meaning consistent skaters this year. So the GP series will be very important for all the US ladies.

Mirai has allowed so many opportunities to slip thru her fingers: The '08 - '09 season wasn't her fault. She was dealing w/ a bone bruise and a growth spurt, but '10 Worlds, '11 Nats, and practically the whole '11 - '12 season were heartbreaking misses when the door was wide open, and she was ultimately responsible for what happened. I will still root for her, but she is now in a position where she will get no love from the USFSA. She has to prove everything consistently on the ice to have a shot at the Worlds team.

museksk8r
10-11-2012, 11:28 PM
She HAS TO skate a clean SP to have a shot! That is always the challenge for Ashley.

judgejudy27
10-11-2012, 11:46 PM
Mirai seems past her prime. Her skating seems heavy and slow, her programs last year were bOOOring even had she skated them cleaner, and even her spins dont seem as spectacular as before. I dont see her being much of a threat at Nationals unless she skates lights out and others bomb.

Macassar88
10-11-2012, 11:49 PM
Yes. Don't underestimate the power of pretty.

Yeah - just ask Brian Joubert (Who i'm also a fan of)

Alex Forrest
10-11-2012, 11:49 PM
Here is a question for everyone: What does Ashley have to do (where does she have to improve) to make herself a championship contender?

Well, Nicks was a move in the right direction. I haven't seen her programs this year, but last year her programs were SUCH a step up. Before it was just so busy, so cluttered, so non-championship. Basically so very Tonia Kwiatkowski. With Nicks she portrayed the champion, though unfortunately she wasn't going clean. I think with Nicks she will achieve her potential and become a staple US contender this year and for 2014. I think of her as an undefined skater who could be a Joannie Rochette. Great skills, attention to detail. But JRo cleaned up her technique and Wagner still has major issues.

Also, she needs to work on her two footed landings. She always tends to two foot in a crunch. And she still is not even close to a BOE on her lutz. It never seemed to hurt Sasha, but it's a different judging world now.

Wagner is a beautiful young woman and skater, and she has drive. I don't bet against skaters who have drive. I didn't bet against Sasha because she was no slacker, she just had poor jump technique. I think Wagner is much stronger than Sasha, plus she is capable of wonderful "moment" spins (something even a Kwan could not create, she just had no speed or flexibility in her spins).

I'll admit I've been a Wagner fan for years (since juniors), and was so happy to see her bring up her skating level last year. She was in a slump and made a major move, and so far it has worked. Good on her, and I wish her continued success.

matvey
10-11-2012, 11:55 PM
Right now, I'd say she's definitely the most likely prospect for a medal, but I can't see her winning the whole thing, particularly if Mao and Yu-Na come back strong.

Alex Forrest
10-12-2012, 12:04 AM
Does anyone seriously think Yuna Kim is returning? Or that Mao Asada is a contender anymore?

I imagine that like Ando they will both withdraw.. I love Lipnitskaia but she has some important tech issues. I would not assume a Nicks fully packaged Wagner and with 3/3 and grit as a non-gold medalist. She could be Oly champ. Haha, if it happens I said it right here first.

Vash01
10-12-2012, 12:23 AM
Does anyone seriously think Yuna Kim is returning? Or that Mao Asada is a contender anymore?

I imagine that like Ando they will both withdraw.. I love Lipnitskaia but she has some important tech issues. I would not assume a Nicks fully packaged Wagner and with 3/3 and grit as a non-gold medalist. She could be Oly champ. Haha, if it happens I said it right here first.

Mao will not withdraw. She has worked hard on her jumps, in order to get back to the top. Hard to tell what Yu na will do. She has already won the OGM and may not have the motivation.

Jammers
10-12-2012, 01:09 AM
We will find out this season if Gold is a strong competitor or another in the long line of headcases that are still skating. She does seem to fight through her programs which Alissa and especially Mirai are not known to do.

totoro8673
10-12-2012, 01:19 AM
I think Yuna will compete in 2013 WC (not withdraw). I heard Yuna likes her new programs very much and is working very enthusiastically. Kim HaeJin(JGP Sencila Bled Cup single winner) said Yuna is still the same.

UGG
10-12-2012, 02:02 AM
Here is a question for everyone: What does Ashley have to do (where does she have to improve) to make herself a championship contender?

skate a really great short program.

Ashley has as good of a chance as anyone. The days of two or three skaters being shoo ins for the podium and gold medal contender are gone. There is no Kwan, Slytskaya, Kim or Cohen, etc...

It's anyone's championship.

For the first time, Ashley LOOKED like a top tier contender. Before last year, she always looked like a B lister like Emily Hugues or someone on that level.

RumbleFish
10-12-2012, 02:30 AM
Wagner could win if she 1) gets a triple-triple, and 2) manage to pulloff a decent SP.

As for competition, Yuna Kim probably won't be at the worlds, Asada is well past her prime, and new comers like Gold and baby Russians are not there yet.

RockTheTassel
10-12-2012, 02:54 AM
In Ashley's case, I feel like almost anything could happen. I wouldn't be shocked if she won Worlds and I also wouldn't be shocked if she didn't make the World team (hoping for the former scenario, though).

centerstage01
10-12-2012, 03:20 AM
Ashley's got just as good a chance as anyone else. Let us repeat our motto: Ice Is Slippery. Anything Can Happen.

lakewood
10-12-2012, 03:36 AM
YuNa is very serious about what she says. She will definitely compete at 2013 Worlds and Sochi Olympics.

She later confessed that she didn't want to go to 2011 Worlds, but she did it as her responsibility to Korean sakting. But, this time it is a bit different. She made a decision after a long time of thinking. I think she has some determination to do it herself and confidence too. Without confidence on her skating level, she would not have made a decision to come back.