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judgejudy27
10-05-2012, 07:24 PM
The two people I was most surprised did not reinstate in 94 were Kristi Yamaguchi and Klimova & Ponomarenko. Would either have won a 2nd Olympic Gold if they had. I would say both of them would have been successful.

briancoogaert
10-05-2012, 07:31 PM
Just my thought : Kristi would have, not K&P.
In ice dancing, it's so difficult to say, since it was not really objective at that time. And I'd say judges wanted someone new.

judgejudy27
10-05-2012, 07:39 PM
Just my thought : Kristi would have, not K&P.
In ice dancing, it's so difficult to say, since it was not really objective at that time. And I'd say judges wanted someone new.

Who knows but G&P's winning FD in 94 was so far inferior to K&P's from 92 I cant see K&P not winning unless they declined massively. U&Z with their horrible FD and slow and untrained performance, mostly due to their marital issues in 94 still nearly beat G&P.

lulu
10-05-2012, 07:45 PM
Who knows but G&P's winning FD in 94 was so far inferior to K&P's from 92 I cant see K&P not winning unless they declined massively. U&Z with their horrible FD and slow and untrained performance, mostly due to their marital issues in 94 still nearly beat G&P.

If K&P did reinstate and received 1st place ordinals, do you think that would have effected the ordinals and placement of the other ice dancers? Or would they still have ended up G&P, U&Z, T&D, in that order?

caseyedwards
10-05-2012, 07:50 PM
Yamaguchi would have remained a favorite of the judges and with her good jumps would have been a winner. I think she would have been stronger than she was than she was in 1992.

briancoogaert
10-05-2012, 08:01 PM
Who knows but G&P's winning FD in 94 was so far inferior to K&P's from 92 I cant see K&P not winning unless they declined massively. U&Z with their horrible FD and slow and untrained performance, mostly due to their marital issues in 94 still nearly beat G&P.
That's exactly what I was saying. We don't know. Usova&Zhulin almost won it with their FD...with T&D claiming they were robbed !
But anyway, I don't think the judges would have give T&D no medal. :)

Vash01
10-05-2012, 08:26 PM
That's exactly what I was saying. We don't know. Usova&Zhulin almost won it with their FD...with T&D claiming they were robbed !
But anyway, I don't think the judges would have give T&D no medal. :)

IMO U&Z and T&D's placements would have been flipped, if K&P had the gold, and G&P the silver. I don't think the judges would have allowed a Russian sweep.

l'etoile
10-05-2012, 08:29 PM
I think Christi would have won but not sure about K/P.

briancoogaert
10-05-2012, 08:32 PM
Now, one thing I wonder : would T&D be back if K&P were back also ?
If if if, lol

VIETgrlTerifa
10-05-2012, 08:33 PM
I love it if K/P won two OGM (much more worthy than G/P) but I doubt they would have won in 1994 since the judges seriously underrated them from 1986 to 1992. Funny how, a team that won 3 worlds and Olympic bronze, silver, and golds underrated and underscored but they were. I'm happy to see hindsight has been kind to their legacy.

scootie12
10-05-2012, 08:44 PM
I think both would have. Ice dancing is a bit trickier since the rules were a bit different than in 1992.

Yamaguchi, hands down, would have repeated. Considering the technical content of the top 3 ladies, minus Chen Lu, who did the most aggressive program in terms of jumps, Yamaguchi would have easily won on both marks. Lu had the jumps, but not the same presentation at that time.

Kristi also looked better in 1994 and had some fabulous programs to boot:
World Pros 1994 (http://youtu.be/LIQXlTUi9wk)
1994 World Team Challenge (http://youtu.be/NAhsuY9KTmY)
1994/95 M Butterfly Program (2 lutzes) (http://youtu.be/q637NhSOHpk)

Shyjosie
10-05-2012, 08:49 PM
Can't tell for Yamaguchi.
K/P, given that they would have been still in the same good condition as they were in '92, would have won hands down. In '92, they won against much stronger programs than G/P had won against in '94.

But keep in mind, K/P hold olympic medals of all three colours, one can say that they had already achieved everything possible. Why taking the risk again?

aliceanne
10-05-2012, 08:57 PM
Yamaguchi talked about reinstating to skate pairs but obviously did not. I don't think K/P would have won for the same reason T/D didn't. Ice dance at that time was a very much take a number and wait your turn system in those days. Once they retired they gave up their number.

briancoogaert
10-05-2012, 09:17 PM
I think both would have. Ice dancing is a bit trickier since the rules were a bit different than in 1992.

Yamaguchi, hands down, would have repeated. Considering the technical content of the top 3 ladies, minus Chen Lu, who did the most aggressive program in terms of jumps, Yamaguchi would have easily won on both marks. Lu had the jumps, but not the same presentation at that time.

Kristi also looked better in 1994 and had some fabulous programs to boot:
World Pros 1994 (http://youtu.be/LIQXlTUi9wk)
1994 World Team Challenge (http://youtu.be/NAhsuY9KTmY)
1994/95 M Butterfly Program (2 lutzes) (http://youtu.be/q637NhSOHpk)
When I watched those programs at that time, my feeling was just : why did she retire ? Why ? She is amazing and could have won easily the 1994 Olympic title. And the SP in 1998 ! (And I'm a Michelle Kwan fan).

Ares
10-05-2012, 09:37 PM
As long as she brought her knee pads to Nationals