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Maofan7
09-27-2012, 10:37 PM
Joshua, Jason, and Nathan have dominated the JGP this season. But which of the 3 of them is most likely to ultimately be successful in the senior ranks?

love_skate2011
09-27-2012, 10:43 PM
Nathan Chen :cool:
Jason Brown
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Joshua Farris

Sylvia
09-27-2012, 10:46 PM
Looks like this poll will generate some constructive discussion. :P

Why "skaters" instead of just "men"?

Maofan7
09-27-2012, 10:59 PM
Looks like this poll will generate some constructive discussion. :P

FSU members are always constructive :D

misskarne
09-28-2012, 12:02 AM
I have to say probably Josh - he has it all right now, the jumps, the spins, the PCS, everything. So unbelievably good. And he seems to have got over that period where he was getting injured (conveniently, with a change of coaches...touch wood!).

Jason will be amazingly good as a Senior though once he gets the 3A landed properly. At the moment, much as it pains me to say, he has too many question marks over him to get top spot.

I don't know about Nathan Chen because he hasn't really been out and about enough to judge. Yes, he's wonder-baby and everything. Will it survive his growth spurts which are sure to come? I think he tends to be a little over-scored at the moment, and it will be interesting to see his development.

pinky166
09-28-2012, 12:10 AM
All of them! But seriously they are all really good. Josh already has a 3a and 4t, Nathan has 3a and I don't doubt he will get quad(s) in the coming years, and well Jason needs a 3a and quad, but there's still time for him to get those, and at least he's trying the 3a in competition now and standing up on it even if it's cheated, but if he gets those then he should do well too. I don't doubt that the three of them could comprise the Olympic team for 2018. You know, if all goes well between now and then. *knock on wood* :P

I think they are all better/more interesting than the likes of Lysacek, Weir, Rippon, Miner, Aaron, etc. I do like Abbott (will obviously be too old to try for Pyeongchang though), Dornbush, Messing, and Mahbanoozadeh too though.

Macassar88
09-28-2012, 01:54 AM
If Farris learns to express the music, I think I'll enjoy his skating the most. He already has the jumps - he just needs the artistry.

pinky166
09-28-2012, 04:42 AM
I don't know about everyone else but I feel like Josh Farris is pretty artistic already, he's really improved in that department since leaving Tom Z and helping choreograph his programs IMO. Obviously there's always room to improve, but to me he's definitely not just a jumper who really is a bit lacking the artistry department like someone like Max Aaron or Brandon Mroz is, to me what makes Josh so good is how he balances his good jumps with his strong spins highlighted by his flexibility, intricate step sequences, and sensitivity to the music. He could be more extroverted in his performance, however, and I can see how this aspect of his skating could cause some to see him as lacking artistry. He's apparently pretty shy and reserved off the ice, so I imagine it's hard not to shake that when competing.

Macassar88
09-28-2012, 09:48 AM
I don't know about everyone else but I feel like Josh Farris is pretty artistic already, he's really improved in that department since leaving Tom Z and helping choreograph his programs IMO. Obviously there's always room to improve, but to me he's definitely not just a jumper who really is a bit lacking the artistry department like someone like Max Aaron or Brandon Mroz is, to me what makes Josh so good is how he balances his good jumps with his strong spins highlighted by his flexibility, intricate step sequences, and sensitivity to the music. He could be more extroverted in his performance, however, and I can see how this aspect of his skating could cause some to see him as lacking artistry. He's apparently pretty shy and reserved off the ice, so I imagine it's hard not to shake that when competing.
I agree with parts of this analysis, but I feel like he could be more in tune with the music. I'm especially referencing his FS to Rachmaninoff. To me, that piece is like a souffle - if you do too much with it, it will be awful and if you don't do enough with it, it will also be awful, and I feel like he was pretty much skating through the music. I understand that he's a junior and there's time to improve, but there is much to improve. I also feel like his choreography could be improved. Having a skater doing crossovers during the climax of the rach 2 finale was an awful idea.

love_skate2011
09-28-2012, 10:04 AM
only 2 votes for Brown but 19 votes for Farris ? :huh:


If Farris learns to express the music, I think I'll enjoy his skating the most. He already has the jumps - he just needs the artistry.

exactly, when I see Farris skate I don't see an overall skater
compared to Joshua and Nathan who has the jumps and artistry

we'll find out by seniors soon
though I don't bet much on Farris, he has already been left behind by Jason Brown and now Nathan Chen !

Macassar88
09-28-2012, 11:13 AM
only 2 votes for Brown but 19 votes for Farris ? :huh:



exactly, when I see Farris skate I don't see an overall skater
compared to Joshua and Nathan who has the jumps and artistry

we'll find out by seniors soon
though I don't bet much on Farris, he has already been left behind by Jason Brown and now Nathan Chen !

I think that people worry about Jason Brown's tech scores. If he doesn't get a complete triple axel, he won't be able to have much success in seniors IMO.

briancoogaert
09-28-2012, 11:58 AM
only 2 votes for Brown but 19 votes for Farris ? :huh:
exactly, when I see Farris skate I don't see an overall skater
compared to Joshua and Nathan who has the jumps and artistry
we'll find out by seniors soon
though I don't bet much on Farris, he has already been left behind by Jason Brown and now Nathan Chen !
I don't understand why you seem so negative to Joshua Farris. He won his JGP by a large margin, almost the same total score as Nathan Chen, although Jason Brown was more than 30 points behind...
I love Jason Brown, but IMO, he will be the next Shawn Sawyer, ie, a spectacular skater, amazing and interesting, but not that successful in term of results.

pinky166
09-28-2012, 10:33 PM
I think that people worry about Jason Brown's tech scores. If he doesn't get a complete triple axel, he won't be able to have much success in seniors IMO.

Realistically he'll need a 3a and a quad to be a factor on the senior level, and as of now, his 3a is not yet reliable and he's never even tried a quad (in competition). Because Josh has landed both in competition and has gotten the 3a to a reliable point, he has the edge for now. I don't think anyone doubts Jason's abilities, but where he's turning 18 soon and the 3a still seems a major issue for him, time is ticking and im sure some are wondering if that jump, and a quad, will ever truly be in his arsenal.

LilJen
09-28-2012, 10:47 PM
I just hope they can all stay healthy and injury free. And that Jason will own that 3A soon so that he can be on a similar technical footing as the others!

query5
09-28-2012, 10:53 PM
asked the USFSA who they will cheat for , not who the public wants.