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03-01-2013, 06:01 PM
Ooops, didn't bother to check the junior girls because its the men I'm interested in, and the facts state that no American junior men have ever pulled off an upset sweep yet, hope that changes tomorrow. :cool:
If you're only interested in the men, why did you equate them with the ladies (which is the correct term, not "girls")? Why is it considered an upset for the Americans to do well, especially considering that the best 18 year old in the world left the junior circuit long ago and last year's champion isn't competing this year, either? There are some other questions I could add, but I'll stop at that.

03-01-2013, 06:06 PM
Ooops, didn't bother to check the junior girls because its the men I'm interested in, and the facts state that no American junior men have ever pulled off an upset sweep yet, hope that changes tomorrow. :cool:

And if they do I equate that to the first time Kristi, Tonya, and Nancy did it at Big Worlds in 1991.

Maybe this comparison would make more sense to me if I had recently seen The Last Supper.

03-01-2013, 06:53 PM
For anyone confused about "The Last Supper" references, here's the Junior Worlds preview article in which coach Damon Allen talks about his pupil, Joshua Farris, and their Milan plans, both on and off the ice: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130226&content_id=42015920&vkey=ice_news

Junior Worlds Men's SP recap article (includes photo of the 3 U.S. guys wearing their ISU small medals): http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130228&content_id=42096588&vkey=ice_news

03-02-2013, 04:18 PM
The US men just swept the podium at Jr. Worlds! -


1. Josh - 228.32
2. Jason - 224.15
3. Shotaro - 204.34

Jason actually beat Josh in the LP - 154 to 152! Josh fell on the 4T

Will these marks get Josh and Jason Sr. GP assignments next year?

03-02-2013, 04:22 PM
Josh will get gp for sure. Jason's chance improved with his season's best at junior world. (There can't be too many skaters who can beat that season's best who aren't already in top 24)

03-02-2013, 05:47 PM
Woot! Way to knock it out of the park, guys!

03-02-2013, 06:03 PM
I hope this means GP for Josh and Jason and that Shotaro will skate as a senior at Nationals next season! Way to go guys!

03-02-2013, 06:17 PM
Will these marks get Josh and Jason Sr. GP assignments next year?

They also medalled at this event last year and skated well enough to be guaranteed at least one spot for this season's GPs. Didn't stop the USFS from keeping them junior.

03-02-2013, 06:51 PM
Or maybe they chose to stay junior. It might be a good idea for Jason to stay junior and really polish the triple axel. Maybe he can work on adding a quad with less pressure in juniors v. seniors.

03-02-2013, 07:10 PM
Jason Brown has stated that it was his and his coach's decision to stay junior this season - I assume this was in part for Jason to gain consistency on his 3A in competition, which looks like a smart decision now since he won silver and gold on the JGP without landing a clean 3A and landed all 3 of his 3A attempts for the first time at Junior Worlds. He and Josh Farris both got to compete in the Sochi Olympic venue at the JGP Final as well, which they wouldn't have done had they moved up. Farris should gain a ton of confidence by winning the Junior World title on top of his successful Nationals, so I think both made the right decisions for this season, in retrospect.

It also looks like both guys should be in the top 24 of the ISU World Standings rankings heading into next season - my calculations have the WS order, with 2010-11 points dropped and 2011-12 points reduced to 70%, as: Miner, Abbott, Dornbush, Farris, Brown (good chance to be in top 24), Rippon (will drop out of top 24 for sure), Aaron.

ETA Season Best total scores (200+) order for the U.S. men heading into Worlds is:
Miner 235.37, Aaron 234.65, Dornbush 234.04, Farris 228.32, Abbott 227.63, Brown 224.15 - around cut-off for top 24? - Chen 222.00 (returning to JGP), Rippon 210.47, Omori 204.34 (likely returning to JGP), Mahbanoozadeh 203.65.

03-02-2013, 07:14 PM
I don't see Josh staying junior next season. He's won everything he possibly could on the junior circuit, he came in fourth at senior nationals and he's in the top 24. If USFSA doesn't submit his name for the senior GP, I would be very surprised. I think a case could be made for keeping Jason junior another season but I could see him moving up too.

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03-02-2013, 09:25 PM
I think the USFSA would be nuts to keep either of them back if they want to go up. Damon Allen's remarks about a "nice end to Josh's junior career" etc suggest that he's going Senior whether the USFSA wants him to or not, and although a case probably could be made for Jason to stay down I think there's nothing to be gained there, he's won pretty much everything except for the JWC, and is that really enough of a carrot to send him round again in the Olympic season?

03-02-2013, 10:37 PM
Just appeared on our local news (btw the very last sentence is true of me too except I don't train in Colorado, lol :D ): http://www.king5.com/news/Joshua-Farris-World-Figure-Skating-Championship-194517251.html


03-02-2013, 10:39 PM
I think the emoticon generator just perished from overuse.

03-02-2013, 10:43 PM
"U.S. men pull off unprecedented sweep in Milan": http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130302&content_id=42192778&vkey=ice_news

Armed with the world junior title, [Joshua] Farris -- who placed fourth at the 2013 U.S. Figure Skating Championships in January -- will tackle the senior Grand Prix Series in the fall.

"I'm looking forward to next year and moving up to senior and competing against the guys I've looked up to ever since I was little," he said.
"It has been such a journey from last year to this year to add a new jump, the triple Axel, that I've been working on for so long and so hard, day in and day out," [Jason] Brown said. "To be able to come here to junior worlds and do three of them, for me, that was like winning."
"To be able to get a medal my first time here at junior worlds and to be part of this historic moment with Josh and Jason is such an honor," he [Shotaro Omori] continued.