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centerpt1
11-04-2012, 09:44 PM
The end of Jeremy's long was affected not by lack of stamina, but by the spinal nerve issues

Exactly my point- he's hit the wall of injury that affects his skating. It seems Lysacek is in the same boat.

Is it training the quad? Are the years of training just adding up? Are they over-training? Whatever the cause, it's a shame that the US's best men have had this happen now.

I hope Jeremy and Evan will be healed and ready to go for Nationals (and hopefully Worlds)

MacMadame
11-04-2012, 10:07 PM
I suspect overtraining in Jeremy's case. He talked a lot in his interview about training hard and then having an inexplicable inability to perform at his event. That's classic overtraining.

Of course, I have no idea what's really going on. It's just what I yelled at the tv when he was interviewed after Skate America. :lol:

Marco
11-05-2012, 02:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MM5aUzCQfId sp Nessun Dorma

http://universalsports.com/video/2012-isu-grand-prix-cup-of-china-adam-rippon-4th/ Metroville fp

That camel change camel is spectacular. Totally +3 - worthy.

I am confused about his long program layout. He usually does a 3flip3toe but with the 3flip being his very last element in the program and with him not even attempting a combination with the flip at Cup of China, I wonder where his third combination or 3/3 is supposed to be. Is Arutuniain pushing him to do a 3axel3toe? :eek:

pinky166
11-05-2012, 03:44 AM
That camel change camel is spectacular. Totally +3 - worthy.

I am confused about his long program layout. He usually does a 3flip3toe but with the 3flip being his very last element in the program and with him not even attempting a combination with the flip at Cup of China, I wonder where his third combination or 3/3 is supposed to be. Is Arutuniain pushing him to do a 3axel3toe? :eek:

I think the 3s in the beginning is supposed to be a 4s, and then his lutz is supposed to be 3lz-1/2lo-3s like last season, but when he triples the opening sal, he probably has a backup plan to change the lutz combo to 3lz-2t-2lo so he doesn't Zayak but still gets the 3 jump combo in. In this case he could have gone for that combo anyway where he popped his first 3a, but he probably trains to do the 3-2-2 combo every time he triples the first 3s just to prevent an Oda, regardless of what might happen on the 3a. Considering he did 1a-2t in the beginning, I assume he isn't going for a 3a-3t but just a 3a-2t and then probably plans to do 3f-3t in the 2nd half of the program.

All speculation, of course. But last season he had a smart layout with 3f-3t, 3lz-1/2lo-3s, and Rippon 3lz all in the 2nd half of his program to serve as a buffer for not having a consistent 3a or quad. And I do recall at WTT when he did only a 3s in the beginning of the program, the lutz combo became 3lz-2t-2lo instead. I don't think it's that unusual to have a safety net plan like this and think that's probably what he did here. The 3f is the last jump so maybe he plans to add the 3t to a different jump, perhaps the 2a, earlier in the program but still in the 2nd half. It would be cool/impressive to do a 3-3 as your last jumping pass though so that could be the plan.

kwanfan1818
11-05-2012, 04:50 AM
I still think Ross is the US leading man. His edges are comparable to Jeremy. Most of the jumps have interesting entry and exit. I have high hope for Ross. I'm still a big fan of Ross.

I like Miner very much, but he does a lot of stroking to gain speed, and in my opinion, doresn't carry it as efficiently as Abbott.

I think Abbott is in the top handful of men when it comes to using his edges and knees to gain and carry speed, and his lean over the edge is second to none.

maureenfarone
11-05-2012, 09:38 AM
I think the 3s in the beginning is supposed to be a 4s, and then his lutz is supposed to be 3lz-1/2lo-3s like last season, but when he triples the opening sal, he probably has a backup plan to change the lutz combo to 3lz-2t-2lo so he doesn't Zayak but still gets the 3 jump combo in. In this case he could have gone for that combo anyway where he popped his first 3a, but he probably trains to do the 3-2-2 combo every time he triples the first 3s just to prevent an Oda, regardless of what might happen on the 3a. Considering he did 1a-2t in the beginning, I assume he isn't going for a 3a-3t but just a 3a-2t and then probably plans to do 3f-3t in the 2nd half of the program.

All speculation, of course. But last season he had a smart layout with 3f-3t, 3lz-1/2lo-3s, and Rippon 3lz all in the 2nd half of his program to serve as a buffer for not having a consistent 3a or quad. And I do recall at WTT when he did only a 3s in the beginning of the program, the lutz combo became 3lz-2t-2lo instead. I don't think it's that unusual to have a safety net plan like this and think that's probably what he did here. The 3f is the last jump so maybe he plans to add the 3t to a different jump, perhaps the 2a, earlier in the program but still in the 2nd half. It would be cool/impressive to do a 3-3 as your last jumping pass though so that could be the plan.

There was a report of Adam doing 3A-3T in the report about the collision:

" wish speed recovery Nang Song and Adam! Adam did a good practice today landed 3a-3t, several 3a. The program he skated in the morning looked nice and fresh. I think he was very affected by this crash mentally and physically. Voronov said at presser that he and his skating was affected too because he saw how it happened"

It seems like 3A-3T might be part of the plan.

The free skate seems to be a departure from the type of program he usually does - not a "pretty-pretty" program at all.

Pretty Vegas
11-05-2012, 01:22 PM
I am really looking forward to seeing how Ricky and Johnny do this weekend. They are in a very tough field - so it should be interesting.

orbitz
11-05-2012, 04:18 PM
The free skate seems to be a departure from the type of program he [Adam] usually does - not a "pretty-pretty" program at all.

Yes, the LP is a different style. I've only seen it once, but there were a lot of hand gestures in the choreography that annoyed me. It looked like he was rolling the dices at one point but at other times I was puzzled; I couldn't tell what the gestures represented in the Mad Men era.

I know Michael Seibert has worked on shows like Skating with Celebrities before, but has he done any competitive programs before?

I do like Adam's shorter hairstyle and the non-fussy approach to his costumes this year.

Sylvia
11-08-2012, 02:30 PM
Armin Mahbanoozadeh skates #3 and Douglas Razzano #16 at Ice Challenge in Graz, Austria today (approx. 3:30 pm Eastern start time) - link to the live stream is posted in the event thread in Kiss and Cry as well as in the TV Alerts forum.

dots
11-09-2012, 06:11 PM
I give up... at this point I don't see how we can bring home three spots :o

I love them all and yet I want to :wall: .

olympic
11-09-2012, 08:11 PM
According to the protocols at Rostelecom Cup, Ricky nails the 4T only to completely bail on the 3z-3t. :wall:

Sylvia
11-09-2012, 08:15 PM
Oh ye (all) of little faith! ;)

ETA: I think the U.S. guys are all setting individual goals to improve their international results/standings, but many of them have yet to execute under the pressure of Senior Grand Prix competition... but that's what early season competitions are for and about.

Razzano won silver and Mahbanoozadeh bronze in Graz today (neither landed a quad in the FS but quads aren't everything :P).

flyingsit
11-09-2012, 08:26 PM
I think Abbott is in the top handful of men when it comes to using his edges and knees to gain and carry speed, and his lean over the edge is second to none.

His lean over the edge (love the description, by the way) reminds me very much of Stephane Lambiel.

pinky166
11-09-2012, 09:35 PM
Oh ye (all) of little faith! ;)

ETA: I think the U.S. guys are all setting individual goals to improve their international results/standings, but many of them have yet to execute under the pressure of Senior Grand Prix competition... but that's what early season competitions are for and about.

Razzano won silver and Mahbanoozadeh bronze in Graz today (neither landed a quad in the FS but quads aren't everything :P).

Yes but what were their scores? I'm guessing low 200s. To get 3 spots at the Olympics we are going to need at least one guy capable of scoring 240+ and at present it seems like the only hopes of that are Jeremy and Ricky IF they skate clean with quads and that is a huge if...

ETA yup 200 and 204. Not exactly encouraging scores, though maybe if they both had messy FS, it would make me feel a little better. Interesting how the US man with the highest ISU SB thus far in the season is 13 year old Nathan Chen :P

Sylvia
11-09-2012, 09:54 PM
My post had nothing to do with/say about 3 spots to the Olympics.