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Maofan7
09-15-2012, 11:19 AM
Retrospective moves on to the 1986 World Championships.

The key facts in relation to these championships are:-


Brian Boitano becomes world champion for the first time, having won the bronze medal the year before. He narrowly beat Brian Orser, who once again had to settle for 2nd place for the 3rd year in a row (having also finished 2nd at the 1984 Olympics). Defending champion, Alexander Fadeyev, had been well placed to retain his title going into the long program, but had a disastrous free skate

Debi Thomas becomes world champion, beating defending champion, Katarina Witt, into 2nd place. Although Witt won the free skate, a 4th placed finish in the short program left her with too much ground to make up and cost her the title.

Ekaterina Gordeeva & Sergei Grinkov win the world title for the first time on debut. It would be the first of 4 world titles and they would go on to become double Olympic champions. Ekaterina Gordeeva (known as 'Katia') was only 14 years old, and the pair had only just won the World Junior Championships (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7SFxmS6_EY) the year before

Natalia Bestemianova & Andrei Bukin retain the world title which they had won for the first time the year before. It was their 2nd of 4 consecutive world titles and they would go on to become 1988 Olympic champions.


Here are the videos for the medal winning performances:-

MENS

Gold: Brian Boitano (USA)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5_bJJ3iBJ4)

Review of Compulsories and Short Programs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtdxgzMwP8)

Medal Ceremony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrlBMhMzgfI)

Silver: Brian Orser (CAN)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oFpDmOYq1w)

Exhibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHPYVOk-krY)

Profile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSHsS6w2Ook)

Bronze: Alexander Fadeyev (USSR)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71j523P23Ig)

Exhibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mGgJqlIczM)

4th: Vladimir Kotin (USSR)

Exhibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAtLSFuPyPI)

5th: Viktor Petrenko (USSR)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55IYbR3bkXA)

6th: Jozef Sabovčík (Czechoslovakia)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89xAODHjAII)

LADIES

Gold: Debi Thomas (USA)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZK-BNn4HYg)

Review of Compulsories & Short Programs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udRON33dhOU)

Exhibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LaP_3HMvP0)

Medal Ceremony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiXFqqUFeH8)

Profile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsrznhtp1nI)

Silver: Katarina Witt (East Germany)

Short Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaSFOVRUMWA)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reXbomkA_kQ)

Exhibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRRYigp9TmA)

Bronze: Tiffany Chin (USA)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMXjO0mDiI0)

Profile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvQZ2VTzIoI)

4th: Kira Ivanova (USSR)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSVO1uJwaqM)

5th: Elizabeth Manley (CAN)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRkq1kh8fTA)

7th: Anna Kondrashova (USSR)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rY8hgjtr5E)

8th: Caryn Kadavy (USA)

Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QNulLwpg-c)

11th: Midori Ito (JPN)

Short Program & Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FfYj6WQzDM), Free Skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4oZ-Judbac)

PAIRS

Gold: Ekaterina Gordeeva & Sergei Grinkov (USSR)

Long Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5ZV_k_v8ko)

Exhibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWAYne3BaM0)

Medal Ceremony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90a_WUoPlQQ)

Silver: Elena Valova & Oleg Vasiliev (USSR)

No Video Available

Bronze: Cynthia Coull & Mark Rowsom (CAN)

No Video Available

4th: Larisa Selezneva & Oleg Makarov (USSR) (Parents of Ksenia Makarova)

Long Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUjzoFjbETg)

6th: Jill Watson & Peter Oppegard (USA)

Long Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-g_zFak0do)

ICE DANCE

Gold: Natalia Bestemianova & Andrei Bukin (USSR)

Free Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uts3C8UKbjM)

Silver: Marina Klimova & Sergei Ponomarenko (USSR)

Free Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O85swOkgj8)

Bronze: Tracy Wilson & Robert McCall (CAN)

Free Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWWl6azWR4s)

Exhibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9XlM5fwCZk)

judgejudy27
09-15-2012, 03:12 PM
This Worlds was noteable as it was a real turning point of the quad for these skaters:

-Alexander Fadeev
-Valova & Vasiliev
-Kira Ivanova
-Selezneva & Makarov
-Annenko & Stretenski (were 3rd going into FD but dropped to 4th)
-Jozef Savockik

To varying degrees they never recovered from what happened here. Well maybe V&V dont belong on that list but this event cemented G&G as the new dominant pair as their was little V&V could do to stem the tide at this point. It was also a turning point in the B&B and K&P rivalry. B&B won by only 1 judge. Had K&P won the torch would have been passed right here and then, and never gone back. With B&B winning they became increasingly dominant again heading to Calgary and K&P were forced to wait their turn.

For Chin it looked like the start of a comeback but instead it was a last hurrah.

orbitz
09-15-2012, 03:17 PM
Does anyone know the music for Tiffany's slow section? I've only seen Tiffany and Daniel Doran used that particular piece of music.

It's frustrating watching Tiffany LP. If she could've done two 3toes and two 3sals (3t-2t, 3s, 3t, 3s-2t) then she would've been competitive with Debbie and Kat. Tiffany's 2A was always a beauty though, and she never lost it.

It's interesting watching the slow motion of Tiffany's 3s. Her problem with that jump was that she didn't lift up into it. When she was younger with a tinier body, her quick rotations was able to compensate for the lack of height in that jump. But when her body matured it totally threw off that jump for her.

The 86 Boitano and the 88 Boitano were two entirely different skater.

olympic
09-15-2012, 03:28 PM
Ladies - I think this was the World championships where Debi solidified herself as the best US lady. She was really inspired here.

I was happy to see her defeat Witt whom I never really liked.

I too thought Tiffany was on the road back but as someone up-thread said, it was her last hurrah.

Lost in the cold war shuffle of US skaters v. Witt (GDR) and Ivanova (USSR) was Manley's LP, arguably her best ever!

Men - I remember being shocked that Boitano won. He came from behind to win. Although, Fadeyev had a meltdown and Orser was subpar. Poor Sabovcik was injured and we would never see him again.

floskate
09-15-2012, 04:48 PM
What I remember most about this Worlds is the judging in the mens event was wacko from the USSR. Fadeev's LP scores are seriously laughable. It was all there for Orser and then all of a sudden he forgot how to do a triple axel :fragile: I don't like Boitano's LP but you can't argue with the win. It's interesting to remember that Boitano was injured coming in and Linda Leaver threatended to withdraw him from the World team unless he could show her a clean triple axel before they left for Geneva. She did teh same regarding the triple lutz at 1986 Us Nationals IIRC.

Ladies - well I never got the Debi Thomas hype here. It was very clear and the judges made it even more so, that she won because Witt screwed up the SP - she had major issues with that program all season long I think. I always felt Debi was horribly upstaged by Witt's LP marks. Liz Manley's skate here was wonderful.

I was a dance uber back then and very much in the K&P camp (always was) and remember being really unhappy with the results. That said, if it had gone the other way then perhaps K&P wouldn't have been around in '92? I did luuuurve her skating :swoon:

And then pairs - this is where I fell in love with Katia Gordeeva. As did just about every commentator bar Debbi Wilkes who is quite disparaging of them. She'd changed her tune come Calgary ;)

manhn
09-15-2012, 09:28 PM
I need to get out my DVD of Retro Ice but I vaguely recall Debi saying she was wrong about what she said about G&G.

essence_of_soy
09-16-2012, 01:58 AM
Ladies - well I never got the Debi Thomas hype here. It was very clear and the judges made it even more so, that she won because Witt screwed up the SP - she had major issues with that program all season long I think. I always felt Debi was horribly upstaged by Witt's LP marks. Liz Manley's skate here was wonderful.



Debi had a lot of momentum coming into this event. She'd won the US Olympic Festival, St. Ivel, Skate America, and beat Chin and Kadavy at US Nationals.

I'm sorry Thomas didn't go for the triple loop in Geneva, though. I guess she and her coach felt that it was better to go for a clean skate instead of risking a fall.

John Tesh in the CBS coverage calculated that if Chin had won the long, Thomas would have got silver, and Witt the bronze. I'm sorry Tiffany skated so conservatively in the free. Her skating was so elegant.

I didn't see Manley's free skate until 5 or 6 years ago. She really should have won the long with that program. It was so dynamic.

manhn
09-16-2012, 02:06 AM
The hype for Debi exists solely on her Exhibition performance. She may have performed in previous competitions, I'm not sure, but I would argue that it is the greatest ladies gala program EVER.

briancoogaert
09-16-2012, 07:53 AM
The hype for Debi exists solely on her Exhibition performance. She may have performed in previous competitions, I'm not sure, but I would argue that it is the greatest ladies gala program EVER.
IIRC, it was already her Exhibition at 1985 WOrlds, where she finished in 4th or 5th.

gk_891
09-16-2012, 04:31 PM
Klimova & Ponomarenko never cease to wow me. That FD is stunning in terms of the range of steps, edges, handholds, etc. The content never stops. They really should've been world champs from 1985-1992 non-stop.

Rock2
09-16-2012, 04:52 PM
Manley's skate was crazy. 4 super clean and different triples and not a wobble on anything except a spiral. I hated her 1988 program from the music to the costuming. Was too juvenile for her, just as Baiul's was in 1994. Everything was great about that skate, though, including the music, the elements, the energy, her packaging...everything. That would have been a better program for the olympics!

I have been searching for Coull and Rowsom videos. Bummer you couldn't find it either. I remember they didn't skate so well in 87 and then they disappeared. They didn't compete in Olympic season and no one said why. A few years later I saw Mark at the university gym. He was in the music program I think and I was in business. I wanted to go up to him and ask what happened but felt super awkward trying to find a politically correct way to ask "what happened to you?"...also while standing there half naked :)

Dave of the North
09-17-2012, 04:04 AM
I have been searching for Coull and Rowsom videos. Bummer you couldn't find it either. I remember they didn't skate so well in 87 and then they disappeared. They didn't compete in Olympic season and no one said why. A few years later I saw Mark at the university gym. He was in the music program I think and I was in business. I wanted to go up to him and ask what happened but felt super awkward trying to find a politically correct way to ask "what happened to you?"...also while standing there half naked :)

IIRC, he suffered a groin injury. And by then Cynthia had stopped singles skating for a couple of years, and didn't have enough time to start again.

He was in a show that came through Saint John a few years later. I can't remember who he skated with (it wasn't Cynthia) maybe he was a solo. He sang too.

Maofan7
09-18-2012, 06:15 AM
Here is another video of Gordeeva & Grinkov's free skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGy7c-kXBx0) from 1986 World's (with CBC commentary). For me, their free skate was the highlight of the 1986 world championships, and their 1985/86 'Caravans' program was my favourite of all their free program's. Quite simply, the best pairs skaters of all time in my opinion.

Also, here is a review of the pairs competition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ldMxmT33M) complete with the prophetic words relating to Gordeeva & Grinkov: "This is a pair on schedule for Olympic Gold in 88."

Gordeeva & Grinkov from earlier in the 1985/86 season:

Skate Canada - SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNdVXsz0Kd0)

Skate Canada - FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blPjhxlfJhY)

European Championships - FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtFgZYOSXvI)

European Championships - FS (2nd Copy) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yywuTMgPDE)

In the first post, I posted a link to Gordeeva & Grinkov's 1985 World Junior LP. Here is their 1984 World Junior SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF98R57oQ9s)

lulu
09-19-2012, 08:43 PM
Here is another video of Gordeeva & Grinkov's free skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGy7c-kXBx0) from 1986 World's (with CBC commentary). For me, their free skate was the highlight of the 1986 world championships, and their 1985/86 'Caravans' program was my favourite of all their free program's. Quite simply, the best pairs skaters of all time in my opinion.

Also, here is a review of the pairs competition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ldMxmT33M) complete with the prophetic words relating to Gordeeva & Grinkov: "This is a pair on schedule for Olympic Gold in 88."

Gordeeva & Grinkov from earlier in the 1985/86 season:

Skate Canada - SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNdVXsz0Kd0)

Skate Canada - FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blPjhxlfJhY)

European Championships - FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtFgZYOSXvI)

European Championships - FS (2nd Copy) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yywuTMgPDE)

In the first post, I posted a link to Gordeeva & Grinkov's 1985 World Junior LP. Here is their 1984 World Junior SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF98R57oQ9s)



Thanks for the videos. When it comes to G&G I prefer their later programs, especially their pro numbers, but even at that young age their unison was quite impressive. Oh, let me just state the obvious, Katia Gordeeva is simply adorable. Her smile is absolutely infectious.

Just watch Debi Thomas' exhibition. Studying pre-med & keeping up her training as an elite skater? I'm impressed.

leapfrogonice
09-19-2012, 11:42 PM
Debi definitely had momentum following her well earned standing ovation performance at Nationals in Long Island. Witt's mistake definitely helped her, but hey -she came through (2nd in the FS).

I remember a 'feature' CBS did on Tiffany which really portrayed Tiffany as being under so much pressure. It was the time around when she had "leg imbalances" and had to relearn jumps and everything, but in the clip, CBS said Tiffany's mother stopped the cameras and really laid (sp?) into her, saying she was not telling the truth, implying she was lazy, etc. Sad.

Debi's exhibition was hilarious and delightful.