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Hedwig
10-13-2012, 11:14 AM
I disagree with your estimation that the career of the athlete falls on the shoulders of the coach. Skaters at some point need to take responsibility for their performances. Abbot, Rippon and Czisny have all had numerous coaches, but the issues remain the same. You can lead a horse to water but you cant force it to drink.


Her technique isnt that off actually IMO - the axel is the worst

This is not what Ziggy said. Maybe try to read it again in context. :)

jdonavan
10-13-2012, 12:57 PM
This is not what Ziggy said. Maybe try to read it again in context. :)

yep, I missed the point, thanks and sorry!

TAHbKA
10-15-2012, 11:10 AM
Ilushechkina's interview for sport-ru (http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/144026956.html) by Oxana Shkrebtienko

OS: Luba, what was the main reason for your switch?
LI: I want to enjoy the skating and not feel it's a must. I wanted to change everything including my attitude towards figure skating.

OS: Were you successful?
LI: It's hard to tell yet, we have just started. Nevertheless I like the way we work. We have two new programmes. Not everything was clean during the competition, so there is still a lot of work to be done.

OS: How did you find Yannic?
LI: Through the internet. I emailed, he replied and we agreed on the terms.

OS: What kind of partner is he? Do you suit each other? After all it's not something you'd figure through the internet.
LI: Yes, that is what I worried about, but am incredibly comfortable with Yannic. I tried some elements with other partners but never felt so comfortable. It's very important for the pairs skating and am thrilled things are working for us.

OS: What are your relationship outside the ice rink? Are you friends? Do you spend time together?
LI: We are good friends. Yannic helps me a lot to get around in the new country, to find a flat, helps me with all the paper work. He had a birthday party and invited me there as well.

OS: Which language do you usually speak to him and the coach? How is your French?
LI: We usually speak English out of habit, though recently I try switching to French. I'm studying the language for 4-6 hours a day towards the exam. I study from the books without any teachers. There is a progress - I started understanding and being comprehensive!

OS: The French FS team is very united and fun. How were you accepted, who did you become friends with, how do you feel there?
LI: Indeed the team is friendly. I like the atmosphere - everyone cheers for each other, wish luck before the competitions. I feel very comfortable, the guys support me a lot and try to help me. I'm very grateful for them!

OS: How long will you be sitting out?
LI: It's not decided yet, but we do everything within our power to make the sit out as short as possible. In the mean while we plan to compete the FFSG competitions. The next one is the French Nationals in December.

Macassar88
10-15-2012, 11:13 AM
Ilushechkina's interview for sport-ru (http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/144026956.html) by Oxana Shkrebtienko



Thanks for translating! I'm glad that she's happier! (Although I do wish that they could have worked with Moskvina)

Vash01
10-15-2012, 06:11 PM
Thanks for translating! I'm glad that she's happier! (Although I do wish that they could have worked with Moskvina)

I still wish that she had given her fed a chance and worked with Moskvina, when they made her an offer (with another partner). She wanted a change (understandable, under the circumstances, from whatever tidbits I read) and she made a HUGE change- dumping her country. I think when Anissina left for France, she did not have such bitterness toward her (former) country. Others have gone to skate for other countries without making so many waves. That makes me wonder if Lubov really is mentally strong, or will she get upset with her new partner and new surroundings, once the honeymoon is over? One thing is certain. In France she will not have the pressure to win an OGM, the way she would have had in Russia and that may just help her win titles. Is she the next Anissina, to drive an arrow through the hearts of RSF?

The Russian pairs field does not appear as deep as it did 12-18 months ago. With the breakup of I&M, injury to B&L (and their somewhat disappointing performances), Moskvina not having a top pair, and M&R being very inconsistent, Russia has to rely solely on V&T. I would love to see K&S win a title, but that does not seem likely at this point, and they will certainly retire after the 2014 Olympics. The junior pairs are very young, which means anything can happen. Can S&K become title contenders in a couple of years? With COP in place, they may have a chance if they are just consistent in their technical elements.

julieann
10-15-2012, 06:23 PM
I still wish that she had given her fed a chance and worked with Moskvina, when they made her an offer (with another partner)

When was this ever on the table and who were the partner they had line up for her? I don't recall Moskvina ever saying she was willing to take a new student especially since she will retire from coaching after 2014.

I think Lubov went to the best partner she saw out there at the time not wanting to end up like Mukhortova.

hanca
10-15-2012, 06:52 PM
I still wish that she had given her fed a chance and worked with Moskvina, when they made her an offer (with another partner). She wanted a change (understandable, under the circumstances, from whatever tidbits I read) and she made a HUGE change- dumping her country. I think when Anissina left for France, she did not have such bitterness toward her (former) country. Others have gone to skate for other countries without making so many waves. That makes me wonder if Lubov really is mentally strong, or will she get upset with her new partner and new surroundings, once the honeymoon is over? One thing is certain. In France she will not have the pressure to win an OGM, the way she would have had in Russia and that may just help her win titles. Is she the next Anissina, to drive an arrow through the hearts of RSF?


Hung on! We don't know what was going on during the practices. You say that you wish she gave Russian Federation a chance to pair her up with someone else. How do we know whether they were aware of the problems between her and her coach in the first place? If they were aware and did nothing, I wouldn't trust them either! It is so easy to judge someone when we are on the outside, but in the situation she was, she was completely dependent on both her coach and Russian Federation. If she was unhappy and wanted to change, I am sure she would have thought about it for a long time. It is not as easy to just swap a country and move away. She must have been quite desperate. As we are not in her situation, we shouldn't make the judgements you made. Look at your situation - you have a right to change your employer if you are not happy (and I am sure the majority of people won't stay all their life with one employer). Why it should be any different for the athlete?

hanca
10-15-2012, 06:59 PM
The Russian pairs field does not appear as deep as it did 12-18 months ago. With the breakup of I&M, injury to B&L (and their somewhat disappointing performances), Moskvina not having a top pair, and M&R being very inconsistent, Russia has to rely solely on V&T. I would love to see K&S win a title, but that does not seem likely at this point, and they will certainly retire after the 2014 Olympics. The junior pairs are very young, which means anything can happen. Can S&K become title contenders in a couple of years? With COP in place, they may have a chance if they are just consistent in their technical elements.

As dark as you see the situation, there is still Volosozhar-Trankov and Kavaguti-Smirnov. I am not sure how it appeared 12-18 months ago, but the fact is that the Russians still have reigning gold, silver and bronze medallist from this (2012) year, so the field can't be that weak. The fact that their number 3 (Bazarova - Larionov) is injured is not going to change much, because they still have Stolbova-Klimov and there are constantly more pairs getting ready (on junior level 3 pairs qualified into JGPF). If you watch the Russian nationals in December, you may find that their situation is stronger than any other country in the world.

Vash01
10-15-2012, 07:41 PM
As dark as you see the situation, there is still Volosozhar-Trankov and Kavaguti-Smirnov. I am not sure how it appeared 12-18 months ago, but the fact is that the Russians still have reigning gold, silver and bronze medallist from this (2012) year, so the field can't be that weak. The fact that their number 3 (Bazarova - Larionov) is injured is not going to change much, because they still have Stolbova-Klimov and there are constantly more pairs getting ready (on junior level 3 pairs qualified into JGPF). If you watch the Russian nationals in December, you may find that their situation is stronger than any other country in the world.

I am actually looking beyond this year and 2014. I think V&T and K&S will retire after Sochi. Who will carry the torch? I just don't think B&L will. They are very good, and I love Vera's positions, but I don't see them as championship caliber (same with K&S- I love them but they may not win a world title). I am not sold on S&K yet. The Russians may still have more choices than most other countries (except may be China), but I really want to see great Russian pairs like we did in the past.

hanca
10-15-2012, 08:28 PM
I am actually looking beyond this year and 2014. I think V&T and K&S will retire after Sochi. Who will carry the torch? I just don't think B&L will. They are very good, and I love Vera's positions, but I don't see them as championship caliber (same with K&S- I love them but they may not win a world title). I am not sold on S&K yet. The Russians may still have more choices than most other countries (except may be China), but I really want to see great Russian pairs like we did in the past.

After 2014 Bazarova hopefully won't be injured. They are silver medallist at Europeans, so they should do fine in the future and I doubt they want to retire after the Olympics. Stolbova-Klimov looks promising too. Maisuradze has a new partner, so after 2014 she could be reasonably decent. Martiusheva-Rogonov are not consistent, but they still are there and one shouldn't discount them. They were silver medallist at junior worlds a few years ago, so we never know. In juniors they have currently several promising pairs, such as last years junior worlds bronze medallist Davankova-Deputat. In addition to them two other junior pairs managed to get to JGPF. I know that you are searching for the next 'great' pair, but I think it is too early to say for anyone, not only for young Russians. But Russians have definitely more to choose from than the other countries, so I wouldn't worry about them.

caseyedwards
10-15-2012, 08:38 PM
Gordeeva and GrinkOv and b/s just may never be repeated not even at 50%!!

love_skate2011
10-15-2012, 08:52 PM
are Vera and Yuri that injured ? :confused: wasn't there a recent interview that said Vera would have even competed in the LP at Nebelhorn had she had a good massage and they are still listed in CoR and NHK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Bazarova

though I don't they can be a Top Russian pair, Stolbova/Klimov have improved
they have big jumps and I like their programs this season

hanca
10-15-2012, 09:12 PM
Maybe Tarasova-Morozov have a great future ahead of them...even if it is just because of the surnames.

Macassar88
10-15-2012, 09:17 PM
So I found a Maxim Trankov look alike!
http://xfactor.itv.com/2012/finalists/kye-sones
Look at some of the angles that they show him at. Almost can't tell the difference.

Vash01
10-15-2012, 09:24 PM
Gordeeva and GrinkOv and b/s just may never be repeated not even at 50%!!

Sadly, you may be right. Pairs skating has changed so much that even if there are skaters with great skating skills, they could be limited by the COP rules.