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julieann
10-08-2012, 06:19 PM
No, what I am suggesting is that if Kavaguti-Smirnov can do the tiny hop after all jumps and one spin this season because it is a part of their choreography, it may be that Lipnitskaya is doing it from exactly the same reason - because her choreographer designed the program that way.

If that's the reasoning (and I can only guess it is since both skaters have done jumps and spins with different exits in the past) neither should be penalized for it as Macassar88 suggested.

hanca
10-08-2012, 06:49 PM
If that's the reasoning (and I can only guess it is since both skaters have done jumps and spins with different exits in the past) neither should be penalized for it as Macassar88 suggested.

To be fair, not only Macassar88 finds it annoying. So do I. :( Why else do you think I noticed that they are doing it on all their SBS jumps this season?

julieann
10-08-2012, 07:06 PM
To be fair, not only Macassar88 finds it annoying. So do I. :( Why else do you think I noticed that they are doing it on all their SBS jumps this season?

I still shouldn't be marked down on the score sheet, it's not an error of execution, it's a choice of choreography exit. (Peter Tchernyshev is quite the choreographer.)

I like it just as much as placing your free leg on the ice behind you or swinging it around. The fact that some people don't like it is a difference in choreography not a problem with their execution of the element.

hanca
10-08-2012, 07:24 PM
I never said that I believe it should be marked down, but I do think they do it because they find it easier to build up the speed that way, which is a weakness. But not as important weakness to deduct for it. Like Yu-Na's lack of turn out in spirals. Maybe ugly, annoying, but acceptable.

My coach would not let me do that. But they can afford it because they are elite skaters.

Macassar88
10-08-2012, 07:32 PM
I never said that I believe it should be marked down, but I do think they do it because they find it easier to build up the speed that way, which is a weakness. But not as important weakness to deduct for it. Like Yu-Na's lack of turn out in spirals. Maybe ugly, annoying, but acceptable.

My coach would not let me do that. But they can afford it because they are elite skaters.

Maybe no official deduction, but I'd take away points in Skating Skills since it does detract from the flow of a program

Vash01
10-08-2012, 08:56 PM
Maybe no official deduction, but I'd take away points in Skating Skills since it does detract from the flow of a program

Some skaters don't lose points even due to a fall which clearly disrupts the flow of a program. IMO you are being a bit nitpicky here. :) It could factor into a very close competition, but normally I think it's OK to not penalize a skater for every little thing, particularly this early in a season. JMO.

Cherub721
10-08-2012, 10:06 PM
Maybe no official deduction, but I'd take away points in Skating Skills since it does detract from the flow of a program

Well if flow out of a jump earns positive GOE, then the judges can simply not give them as much positive GOE if they think the skater is hopping out of the jump. In that sense, if their clean jumps are not all +3s, then perhaps it has been taken into account.... obviously, it's hard to tell which good things in a jump are being rewarded or not.

Macassar88
10-08-2012, 10:38 PM
Some skaters don't lose points even due to a fall which clearly disrupts the flow of a program. IMO you are being a bit nitpicky here. :) It could factor into a very close competition, but normally I think it's OK to not penalize a skater for every little thing, particularly this early in a season. JMO.

Well I'd take off PE points for falls as a judge

Tak
10-09-2012, 12:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pufH2Vmmn20&feature=g-all-u
Bobrova and Soloviev FD

They fixed her camel spin so now she does the donut position that I love. Her layback is great as well.
Not sure why they only got level 2 on the twizzles - they looked fine to me
As for why their Curve Lift only got level 2, there was an issue with Bobrova getting into her position, and they didn't hold the position long enough.

Thanks for the link!

Levels aside, this looks a lot more polished than the Russian Test Skates - so they are really improving. Im sure they'll get their levels up for the GP.

This is an amazing FD for them. I like it more each time I see it. When I watched it, I was so caught up in watching them, I didnt really notice the elements - usually that's all I notice as most dancers just skate element to element - or that's what it seems like. This really creates a mood.

It's such a shame they waited so long to make a change - I can only imagine what they'd be like now if they had gone to Zhulin 2 years ago!

Vash01
10-09-2012, 12:46 AM
Well I'd take off PE points for falls as a judge

I would too.

DaveRocks
10-09-2012, 01:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h09Fi5NFiU&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LL7TnY5tFxyZcWa849N5eaTA
take notice at 1:17 - after triple toe loop and at 2:16 after spin. That's exactly what Marco described Lipnitskaya is doing.

And here another program
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BYMPD_Q-xQ&feature=plcp&list=PLDAB653EE8B76FAA4
0:40 after their jump combination
and again at 3:04 after their axel

So in this years FS two side-by-side jump elements and in both they do it and in this years SP one side-by-side jump element and they again do it.

Funny this has been brought up. When I originally watched these programmes, I remember thinking that K/S must be doing that for two reasons: 1. to gain some momentum after almost coming to a stop with their solo jump elements; and, 2. to try to cover up the near stand-still at the end of their solo jumps. Of course, I have no idea if this is the actual reasoning behind it, but that was the impression that I got.

Otherwise, I think their programs this season are fab!

Macassar88
10-09-2012, 02:07 PM
Funny this has been brought up. When I originally watched these programmes, I remember thinking that K/S must be doing that for two reasons: 1. to gain some momentum after almost coming to a stop with their solo jump elements; and, 2. to try to cover up the near stand-still at the end of their solo jumps. Of course, I have no idea if this is the actual reasoning behind it, but that was the impression that I got.

Otherwise, I think their programs this season are fab!

That's the impression I get as well

Dionysus
10-09-2012, 02:11 PM
Russian Fedcup, Sochi, Iceberg Palace
Video 1 day:
http://infocenter2014.ru/multimedia/video/video_585.html

Cherub721
10-10-2012, 01:52 AM
In the Miki Ando thread people are talking about a rumor that Ilinykh has dumped Morozov for a hockey player, and she mentioned it in some interview... anyone know what this is about?

kwanfan1818
10-10-2012, 01:58 AM
I think pinky is trying to say that Ilinykh never dated Morosov, but dumped Katsapalov for the hockey player.