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julieann
10-08-2012, 02:06 AM
Any video links to the Russia Fed Cup? In particular Men & Ladies? And Protocols?

DaiKozOda already posted the scores above (and mention Bermaternykh got injured, I hope he's ok) here's the more detailed scores (http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1213/sochicup/index.htm) for all the skaters. I don't know if the protocols will be published, they usually make it online somehow.

I'm hope more of the skaters will make it onto youtube, I'm sure they all were recorded I guess we'll have to hope.

misskarne
10-08-2012, 04:11 AM
Men

1 - Konstantin Menshov 233.25pts :cheer:
2 - Sergei Voronov 230.28pts
3 - Artur Gachinski 219.00pts


:eek::confused::confused::confused::confused::conf used:

Looks like from the pics Artur took a fall. Early days yet. Looking forward to the GP. Do Menshov and Voronov have GPs?

Also, Artur's shirt appears to be totally see-through. :lol:

dinakt
10-08-2012, 04:25 AM
:eek::confused::confused::confused::confused::conf used:

Looks like from the pics Artur took a fall. Early days yet. Looking forward to the GP. Do Menshov and Voronov have GPs?

Also, Artur's shirt appears to be totally see-through. :lol:

Menshov has Skate America and Cup of Russia. I really like him. He is voidy, his jumps are huge and he is an older guy who keeps working like a dog and keeps getting better.
Not sure about Voronov's GP.

Marco
10-08-2012, 06:26 AM
Someone needs to work with Lipnitskaya on her clear lack of flow. She still isn't holding her moves and is now finishing every jump and spin with a little hop because she had no momentum left. It's extremely distracting.

She also needs to know that if she holds her I spin for more than 8 revs in her combination spin, the same feature cannot be counted again for her closing layback spin.

Macassar88
10-08-2012, 10:58 AM
http://www.sport-express.ru/newspaper/2012-10-08/15_2/?view=page
Bobrova and Soloviev short interview

hanca
10-08-2012, 12:51 PM
Someone needs to work with Lipnitskaya on her clear lack of flow. She still isn't holding her moves and is now finishing every jump and spin with a little hop because she had no momentum left. It's extremely distracting.


Kavaguti-Smirnov do the same. After every jump, instead of holding and then step forward they just hop forward as if they intended to do a combination.

DaiKozOda
10-08-2012, 02:13 PM
Russian tv report on the Fed Cup (the Sochi arena is beautiful): http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/217088

Pushkash & Guerreiro article (from what I've understood it's mainly about the coaching change): http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20121008/622169767.html

Article about the pairs @ the Fed Cup (I think it confirms the blogger's info that Bezmarternykh got injuried): http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20121007/621974784.html

Macassar88
10-08-2012, 02:38 PM
Kavaguti-Smirnov do the same. After every jump, instead of holding and then step forward they just hop forward as if they intended to do a combination.

I know - it's really annoying and breaks up the flow. If I were a judge, I'd penalize them, but sadly I'm not.

Kasey
10-08-2012, 04:04 PM
Menshov has Skate America and Cup of Russia. I really like him. He is voidy, his jumps are huge and he is an older guy who keeps working like a dog and keeps getting better.
Not sure about Voronov's GP.

Voronov has Cup of China and NHK.

julieann
10-08-2012, 04:51 PM
Kavaguti-Smirnov do the same. After every jump, instead of holding and then step forward they just hop forward as if they intended to do a combination.

It has more to do with the choreographer than skill because it's not every time. I don't think it breaks the flow at all as long as that's what the choreographer intended.

2009 Worlds SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpVALSwQ-xE&feature=player_detailpage&list=PLBA7E30BA94FFA4E5#t=38s)
2010 Worlds FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE_LDIiP6HU&feature=player_detailpage#t=95s)

Also, here are the protocols (http://fsrussia.ru/upl/ckeditor/2058577.pdf) from Fed Cup

hanca
10-08-2012, 05:29 PM
It has more to do with the choreographer than skill because it's not every time. I don't think it breaks the flow at all as long as that's what the choreographer intended.

2009 Worlds SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpVALSwQ-xE&feature=player_detailpage&list=PLBA7E30BA94FFA4E5#t=38s)
2010 Worlds FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE_LDIiP6HU&feature=player_detailpage#t=95s)

Also, here are the protocols (http://fsrussia.ru/upl/ckeditor/2058577.pdf) from Fed Cup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h09Fi5NFiU&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LL7TnY5tFxyZcWa849N5eaTA
take notice at 1:17 - after triple toe loop and at 2:16 after spin. That's exactly what Marco described Lipnitskaya is doing.

And here another program
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BYMPD_Q-xQ&feature=plcp&list=PLDAB653EE8B76FAA4
0:40 after their jump combination
and again at 3:04 after their axel

So in this years FS two side-by-side jump elements and in both they do it and in this years SP one side-by-side jump element and they again do it.

caseyedwards
10-08-2012, 05:37 PM
So a lot of GachInskis problems were level one spins because he landed a quad and 3a's

julieann
10-08-2012, 05:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h09Fi5NFiU&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LL7TnY5tFxyZcWa849N5eaTA
take notice at 1:17 - after triple toe loop and at 2:16 after spin. That's exactly what Marco described Lipnitskaya is doing.

It has nothing to do with K/S skills as spinners or jumpers; take it up with the choreographer. It's no different then skaters who put their other foot behind them after (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DqkCUEZBO8s#t=70s) the jump is completed. Are you suggesting they do this as a balance check? Is it more aesthetically pleasing or is it just another way the choreographer exits a skill? There aren't many creative ways out of a skill for a choreographer to come up with. But a skater should be penalized for it just because you don't like it.

hanca
10-08-2012, 05:51 PM
It has nothing to do with K/S skills as spinners or jumpers; take it up with the choreographer. It's no different then skaters who put their other foot behind them after (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DqkCUEZBO8s#t=70s) the jump is completed. Are you suggesting they do this as a balance check? Is it more aesthetically pleasing or is it just another way the choreographer exits a skill? There aren't many creative ways out of a skill for a choreographer to come up with. But a skater should be penalized for it just because you don't like it.

No, what I am suggesting is that if Kavaguti-Smirnov can do the tiny hop after all jumps and one spin this season because it is a part of their choreography, it may be that Lipnitskaya is doing it from exactly the same reason - because her choreographer designed the program that way.

Marco
10-08-2012, 06:18 PM
I think Lipnitskaya is doing this to strategically cover up her lack of flow, but it has ironically highlighted the problem.

Anyone who can exit an element with flow would definitely want to show it off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=baA0so7ipIM#t=164s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VfluAux0Sf0#t=182s