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Glacier cat
09-25-2012, 11:59 AM
And I wholeheartedly agree, as well. Elena is a rare beauty and Diva, and she is good not doubt, but it's Nikita whom I watch for edges, expressivity and my favorite personal skating fad, impeccable timing.

On other topic- I saw Russian test skates live on Sept.15, and I was very impressed with Bobrova and Soloviev. They stood out among all other Dance teams, and I fell in love with their FD. When I saw their FD first on youtube, the music seemed too jarring, but live, though I still have issues with "Tosca" in the middle, it all makes some kind of interesting whole. And the combination of their new style, paired with B &S being better balanced in partnership roles and their great SS is very appealing. Soloviev is actually sexy, gifted in movement and musical- what a discovery after seeing them for so many years! I learned to rather dislike B/S during the last two years and am astonished at my own turnaround. Programs are soooo important... I can't wait to see I/K this year, but if they are doing anything similar to 'Ave Maria" , I am switching my allegiance, though I love Nikita's skating dearly.

In other impressions- Plushenko was slow; lots of strategic stop and starts in that program ( at least so far), Adelina S. stood out for the quality of her jumps and what seems to be a reacquired joy of skating; she was very impressive. I was so dismayed when I heard "Godfather" for the third time in the course of that afternoon, that I could not enjoy V/T properly. Maxim is a yummy gangsta, but it'll take me a while to reconcile myself with their music choice. It's so overused and not very interesting as a jazz interpretation.
I liked Gachinsky and Menshov, and even Voronov, who had a great outing. Gachinsky and Menshov are interesting.

Interesting to read from Russian test skates. Although, as for a part of Plushy I doubt her impression (sorry :D ), because she is a friend of reut who dislikes him. :cool: Other parts I agreed! Thanks for the sharing.

kwanfan1818
09-26-2012, 07:53 PM
Interesting to read from Russian test skates. Although, as for a part of Plushy I doubt her impression (sorry :D ), because she is a friend of reut who dislikes him. :cool: Other parts I agreed! Thanks for the sharing.
Well, since friends always share the same opinions about skaters. NOT.

dinakt's impression of Plushenko is the same as mine at the Vancouver Olympics, and having seen Plushenko at his strongest, in the early 2000's, I had a good speed and power baseline to which to compare.

He was trying new things -- movement, ice pattern -- so I'm not surprised he's not at full speed yet. He's aiming for Sochi, not to :kickass: at a test skate.

Macassar88
09-27-2012, 04:23 PM
After seeing the Nebelhorn results, I'm worried for Bobrova and Soloviev. The two Zhulin teams both got level 2 on their non touching steps. That's no improvement from what Kustarova was getting B/S.

Vash01
09-27-2012, 05:09 PM
After seeing the Nebelhorn results, I'm worried for Bobrova and Soloviev. The two Zhulin teams both got level 2 on their non touching steps. That's no improvement from what Kustarova was getting B/S.

May be this is just the starting point. They will raise the levels as the season progresses.

lala
09-27-2012, 06:01 PM
He was trying new things -- movement, ice pattern -- so I'm not surprised he's not at full speed yet. He's aiming for Sochi, not to :kickass: at a test skate.
Yes, I agree with you, but I think Plush is in good shape.

Tarasova about Plush, after Novogorsk:
http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/4926.html

"Zhenya is in terrific shape, exactly, physical shape. He spent a great job of examining every muscle of his body."

Mishin said:
"Plushenko is stronger than in Turin!"
http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/552296

caseyedwards
09-27-2012, 06:07 PM
Why did so many other coaches have students debut with level 3 step sequences? I hope it is not a mistake and was planned for level 2 the whole time.

Macassar88
09-27-2012, 06:07 PM
May be this is just the starting point. They will raise the levels as the season progresses.

I sure hope so. I really hope that Bobrova and Soloviev, having better skating ability IMO than Monko and Khaliavin and Zlobina and Sitnikov, will have cleaner edges in their footwork and get their levels. I have no expectations for them to reach the Grand Prix final but I think that, if they can beat Ilinykh and Katsalapov at Russian Nats and Euros, they'll be primed for a top 5 worlds showing which will serve them well for the Olympic season and beyond.

Macassar88
09-27-2012, 06:08 PM
Why did so many other coaches have students debut with level 3 step sequences? I hope it is not a mistake and was planned for level 2 the whole time.

Once videos come up, we'll see what they aimed for.

Cherub721
09-27-2012, 07:35 PM
I sure hope so. I really hope that Bobrova and Soloviev, having better skating ability IMO than Monko and Khaliavin and Zlobina and Sitnikov, will have cleaner edges in their footwork and get their levels.

It's possible though that they obtain their deep edges because they lean so far onto the blade, and that correcting posture, which Zhulin is doing, might take away that advantage in terms of edges.

Macassar88
09-27-2012, 07:48 PM
It's possible though that they obtain their deep edges because they lean so far onto the blade, and that correcting posture, which Zhulin is doing, might take away that advantage in terms of edges.

Well, is there anyone who wants to take a crack at what the judges would have given them for http://youtu.be/0hStLXS3GyA?t=2m20s
Because I don't have the eye for calling levels. I think that they are going for a level 4 because they have all the bullets potentially

They have at least one double twizzle along with four other difficult turns, they have a one foot section with 4 difficult one foot turns, their sequence looks to be more than 75% difficult turns and I don't see why they wouldn't be trying to get every turn with a good edge and clean. I think that it's the last one that really messes people up, but I don't see a reason for any top team to get a level 2 when going for a level 4 because that would mean that the coach gave them a bad set of steps to do and didn't read the rules.

Anyway, I didn't notice any distinct shallowing of edges since they moved to Zhulin.

love_skate2011
09-27-2012, 08:17 PM
Well, is there anyone who wants to take a crack at what the judges would have given them for http://youtu.be/0hStLXS3GyA?t=2m20s
Because I don't have the eye for calling levels. I think that they are going for a level 4 because they have all the bullets potentially

They have at least one double twizzle along with four other difficult turns, they have a one foot section with 4 difficult one foot turns, their sequence looks to be more than 75% difficult turns and I don't see why they wouldn't be trying to get every turn with a good edge and clean. I think that it's the last one that really messes people up, but I don't see a reason for any top team to get a level 2 when going for a level 4 because that would mean that the coach gave them a bad set of steps to do and didn't read the rules.

Anyway, I didn't notice any distinct shallowing of edges since they moved to Zhulin.

but aren't most Russians ice dancers slow on Twizzles ?

with excpetion to Ilinkyh/Katsalapov though their twizzles look unzynchronized and chaotic. Only Stepanova/Bukin I can really say they can wow with their spins and their super fast twizzles

Macassar88
09-27-2012, 08:41 PM
but aren't most Russians ice dancers slow on Twizzles ?

with excpetion to Ilinkyh/Katsalapov though their twizzles look unzynchronized and chaotic. Only Stepanova/Bukin I can really say they can wow with their spins and their super fast twizzles

Maybe compared to Davis and White, none of the Russians have fast twizzles, but I'd say that in terms of rotational speed, Bobrova and Soloviev are probably around the same speed as Tessa and Scott. And with Kustarova, they were even faster but were never in sync. Even Davis and White have small synchro issues with their lightning speed twizzles.
Anyway, Elena and Nikita have above average speed twizzles (in comparison with the top tier of ice dancers) but they suffer from unison issues as well.

Macassar88
09-27-2012, 08:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iTCizJtFpg
Monko and Khaliavin's SD from Nebelhorn

Confused as to why they only got level 2. I know she had the twizzle issue, but I still counted enough difficult turns on one foot as well as total difficult steps. Maybe their edges were so bad that they didn't get credited with getting certain steps?

A thought that I had was that maybe the judges didn't think there was more than 75% difficult steps so they took off a level?

zotza
09-27-2012, 08:58 PM
I think Ksenia had a couple of edge issues after her mistake but maybe I was concentrating too much on her edges?

They looked a bit tense to me,but it's understandable.It's ages since they've competed...

Btw,B/S got level 2 at Russian cup for their non touch sequence.I'm sure they'll fix whatever is missing.That's why it is good to check your levels early in the season

Macassar88
09-27-2012, 09:02 PM
I think Ksenia had a couple of edge issues after her mistake but maybe I was concentrating too much on her edges?

They looked a bit tense to me,but it's understandable.It's ages since they've competed...

Btw,B/S got level 2 at Russian cup for their non touch sequence.I'm sure they'll fix whatever is missing.That's why it is good to check your levels early in the season

Uh Oh... if Bobrova and Soloviev don't get a level 3 in Finlandia, I'll be worried. Because they'll want to get all level 3 on steps at the very least to stay competitive with Weaver and Poje at Skate America.
Anyway, where did you get the Russian Cup protocols?