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shan
09-13-2012, 03:19 AM
B&S are competing at the 1st Cup of Russia. The rest are participating at the test skate this week so no scores for them.

Oh okay. Thanks! :)

Tak
09-13-2012, 03:53 AM
I will try to compile/re-post all the test skate videos so far into this first post, stay tuned...

Ivan Bariev SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfBX3uTPUbw

Stepanova & Bukin Junior SD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejm6nUyjrbQ

ETA: It's easier just to add the link to this uploader's video playlist titled "2012-09-12 Team russia test skate, day 1": https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfaDNAlaVxJhVudvop-RCPNdfjmI7Gi2u

Thanks for all the links! Love_Skate too - a BIG Thank you!!!

Wow - Russian skating is getting interesting again for me - where to start?!

Loved Bob/Sol! - and I never thought I'd say that! For once, not bored at all - loved the music - and thought they used it very well - did Zhulin choreograph this??? Modern and edgy really suit them. With more practice and a better performance this could be stunning! They do need more speed though - parts of this looked really s-l-o-o-w.

R/T - This could be my favorite FD of the season. Loved the way the choreo actually reflected the music all the way through [B/S too] - this is really rare to see in Dance these days. With more practice again this could be great. Did Sphilband do this??? If so, why the hell was he hiding behind Marina all these years???!!

S/Z - Although some of their moves were great - and I loved the opening - I dont think their choreo is as good or as interesting as the other 2. How I wish THEY had gone to Zhulin. What a waste! She is a classic Diva-in-the-Making [and I mean that as a compliment]. Why couldnt they jump ship like their team-mates did. This team I think have the potential to be FANTASTIC, but I cant see it happening with Kustarova and this kind of choreography.

M/K - this dance really suited them and of all the teams they seemed the most polished and prepared. But the style is just :blah: to me.

Star/Vol - LOVED the opening pose - she is starting to get that expressive back - a la Bobrova. The beginning was not bad and I thought they had improved, but it got a lot worse as it went on. And it was just similar enough to K/N gypsy dance to make me wish yet again he was dancing with Yana - I really cant see them going anywhere - which makes me sad because he at least is not bad and I think could be a lot better with a decent partner. Are they married/a couple? I cant see why they stay together.

Step/Bukin - loved the SD, but it needs more work. At least the music will wake you up. I esp loved the way they took the goose lift and raised it to a whole new level. Wish it didnt look so tentative though. She esp seemed kind of scared in it - they need more practice and security or this could end in disaster [I hope not!].

Thanks again for that sneak peak!

Aerobicidal
09-13-2012, 04:27 AM
I am teknik-illiterate, but watching the ice dance programs makes me wonder why in the name of all things (un)holy Svinin/Zhuk aren't prioritized as the go-to coaches.

They are the only ice dance coaches that consistently create programs that don't suck. In a world of Zuevas and Morosovs, has that become a liability?

kwanfan1818
09-13-2012, 05:04 AM
I loved Monko/Khaliavin's SD, or, at least I really loved them skating it. I wish I could see Riazonova/Tkachenko do this FD live.

I think Kawaguti/Smirnov's SP is fantastic, and except for some of the footwork section, they were dead on the music. Those SBS spins, between the closeness and the synch, were to die for.

love_skate2011
09-13-2012, 05:04 AM
I am teknik-illiterate, but watching the ice dance programs makes me wonder why in the name of all things (un)holy Svinin/Zhuk aren't prioritized as the go-to coaches.

They are the only ice dance coaches that consistently create programs that don't suck. In a world of Zuevas and Morosovs, has that become a liability?

Svinin/Zhuk are good coaches but then there was that time they dried up when they didnt have any good students, now with Stepanova/Bukin as their new star , hopefully they get more recognition again and also more political clout

kwanfan1818
09-13-2012, 05:35 AM
I think Starygyna/Volobyev were delightful in that FD.

burntBREAD
09-13-2012, 05:35 AM
Can anyone identify Makarova's LP music? I feel as though I've heard it before in a movie soundtrack (The Piano?)..I really like it.

kwanfan1818
09-13-2012, 05:46 AM
Shazam ID'ed it as Megapolis by Bel Suono, and the Bel Suono site confirms it:
http://www.belsuono.ru/ru/music/27-music-megapolis.html

Sometimes Shazam is way off. (Or doesn't match what the skaters say their music is.)

burntBREAD
09-13-2012, 05:57 AM
Shazam ID'ed it as Megapolis by Bel Suono, and the Bel Suono site confirms it:
http://www.belsuono.ru/ru/music/27-music-megapolis.html

Sometimes Shazam is way off. (Or doesn't match what the skaters say their music is.)

Well, I was way off! Thanks, though. :)

Anya
09-13-2012, 06:42 AM
Kovtun - Liked the beginning of the program. Just wondering why the hell the end of his music sounds like the french national anthem.

I think it was OST from Casablanca and the French anthem is a part of the score. I asked about it way back, when Savchenko-Szolkowy used it (in their first(?) season) and I was told there is nothing in the rules about/against using national anthems in your music. Still weird, though.

Vash01
09-13-2012, 08:40 AM
I was finding videos to watch when I ran across this gem from the end of July of Kavaguti and Smirnov. It must have been their original 'Cats' short program from this summer. I don't know where Moskvina got it in her head to change it to a waltz; I think it could have been really good with some miles on it. At any rate, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAQgJnAiR4M) it is. Thanks to whoever uploaded it to youtube, I hope it's OK I posted it here. I thought it would be neat to compare the two.

I love it. Very original. I wish they had kept it.

Macassar88
09-13-2012, 09:07 AM
First impressions of Bobrova and Soloviev's FD
I actually enjoyed most of it. I wish that Zhulin wouldn't have given them Tosca as that last part of the music - they are already seen as old fashioned and there are other pieces of music that could have been put in there. Also, it doesn't quiet the critics who say that Zhulin is boring and has no new ideas and will try to give them Navka and Kostomarov recycled programs.
I really liked the beginning - I know they had problems with the spin but I'm hoping she does her really good donut spin where she actually gets her foot to her head as well as her haircutter layback where she gets her foot to her head as both of those positions are quite divine.
I know they had issues with one of the lifts but I think this dance looks promising. I know that they have to work on speed but I definitely think that, if they keep working hard, they can be favorites for Pyongchang.
I love the very ending - I think it's very Zhulin.

TAHbKA
09-13-2012, 09:13 AM
Gerboldt/Enbert will not participate any competitions in 2012 (http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/20120913/616447081.html)
Simonenko reports: Gerboldt tore a ligament when practicing throw 3 jump. They withdrew from GP and Moskvina reckons Gerboldt won't recover in time for the Russian nationals. Enbert keeps practicing. Gerboldt resumed her practices off the ice on one foot only this week. Their programmes are ready with Zhulin choreographing the SP and Averbukh the LP/

casken
09-13-2012, 09:36 AM
I know they had problems with the spin but I'm hoping she does her really good donut spin where she actually gets her foot to her head as well as her haircutter layback where she gets her foot to her head as both of those positions are quite divine.

That's a good example of how I think some of their strengths have actually been lost in the transition. They always had one of the lovelier dance spins becuase of the quality of her positions and the smoothness and finish of of the transitions between the positions. The positions in this one are just ok, it looks slow, and it's poorly placed in the program.

Also, wasn't there a recent rule that says FDs should not be so obtuse in concept that they need and explanation? Because this FD, especially with that ending, does.

Loves_Shizuka
09-13-2012, 09:40 AM
Ooo I liked B/S's FD :watch: I am excited about where this could be go....