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Rock2
09-09-2012, 07:32 PM
My only real fear with him is injuries, not strategy. All these quads are very hard on the body; he just has to make sure he's not attempting quads without all the proper off-ice training/readiness as well as ensuring he doesn't attempt them while tired/sick or otherwise unprepared. That's when accidents happen.
He seems to be level headed and very strategic in his approach to skating so I think he has a better chance than most to be successful at this.

Also, I'm sure he'd stop training the new quads if/once he decides his chances of landing in competition just aren't there. I"m sure he'll go through the process this season and then make some final decisions going into next.

As for Olympics, no one is unbeatable. Very few have the mental fortitude as the likes of Yags, Stojko, Boitano and Plushy. Very few are of that calibre in terms of being always battle ready. Chan will be very well prepared, but every bit as competitively fragile as the rest of the field. It's almost like I don't want him to win in London to take the pressure off of next season. Walking into Sochi having won last 3 world's will be a nightmare of expectation.

Lara
09-09-2012, 07:54 PM
As for Olympics, no one is unbeatable. Very few have the mental fortitude as the likes of Yags, Stojko, Boitano and Plushy. Very few are of that calibre in terms of being always battle ready. Chan will be very well prepared, but every bit as competitively fragile as the rest of the field. It's almost like I don't want him to win in London to take the pressure off of next season. Walking into Sochi having won last 3 world's will be a nightmare of expectation.

Agreed, especially compounded with no Canadian male having won Olympic gold. For him to deliver under that pressure would take probably even more mental fortitude than Yuna showed in Vancouver, and that was already extremely impressive. :yikes:

B.Cooper
09-09-2012, 09:34 PM
Chan's remarks as to adding more technical difficulty with 4S and 4F reflect that he is working w/ coaching staff in CO that can work with him specifically on these elements.......someone who has technical expertise. Johnson is a dance teacher and probably a confidant for team Chan, not necessarily someone who can provide exacting feedback on those elements. So, with the Krall bridge burned by team Chan, that leaves very few folks in CO to work with Chan on adding those quads. He probably needs access to pole harness and maybe even Dartfish.
Shipstad and Schulz are the only 2 coaches that I know of who provide that service at that rink. So my best guess is that he is working w/ Shipstad as Schulz works primarily with Damon Allen, Krall and Tom Z students. That must put Shipstad in a pickle, as IIRC, he co-coached many of Krall's students as there is no way Chiddy would be working directly w/ Tom Z on those quads, ;-)

B.Cooper
09-09-2012, 09:41 PM
Or, better yet, he's learning those new quads thru osmosis, watching Tom Z's students.........Mroz and Aaron. ;-)

jettasian
09-09-2012, 09:49 PM
Any idea when we will get a glimpse of his SP and LP? I love his Ex Pro Elegie...so very excited to know that he's reworking that into SP.

halffull
09-09-2012, 09:59 PM
It takes real courage to move on from something that seems to already be working in order to find something even better! Cudo's to him!!! So excited to see his new programs. (especially Jeff's). Best of luck this season PChiddy :D

VarBar
09-09-2012, 11:09 PM
Any idea when we will get a glimpse of his SP and LP? I love his Ex Pro Elegie...so very excited to know that he's reworking that into SP.

If you're wondering about his full programs, the SP most likely not before Skate Canada and the LP most likely at Japan Open October 5 or 6.

jettasian
09-10-2012, 02:21 AM
If his other quads are good, it'd be interesting to see how he will incorporate the quads into his SP and LP.

Japanfan
09-10-2012, 05:15 AM
My only real fear with him is injuries, not strategy. All these quads are very hard on the body; he just has to make sure he's not attempting quads without all the proper off-ice training/readiness as well as ensuring he doesn't attempt them while tired/sick or otherwise unprepared. That's when accidents happen.
He seems to be level headed and very strategic in his approach to skating so I think he has a better chance than most to be successful at this.


Nonetheless, it is not always possible to control when a skater pictures - as Yags and Yunah did at the Olympics, for example. A season can make a huge difference and I worry that Patrick may reach his peak this year, rather than the Olympic year. Or, fall victim to injury in the Olympic season. An injury this year might therefore be a blessing in disguise.


It's almost like I don't want him to win in London to take the pressure off of next season. Walking into Sochi having won last 3 world's will be a nightmare of expectation.

I feel the same. The pressure will be huge. Much as it was for S/P in 2002, when the commentators had to emphasize over and over again that the competition would be the end of Russia's 40-year dominance in pairs.

With men in Sochi, they will go on and on and on about how history is about to be made as a Canadian man might win Olympic Gold for the first time. There will be a ton of interviews with Chan about how he is ready to win the Gold and has prepared for this moment all his life and so on and so forth. . .

I'd almost prefer him to go in as an underdog.

caseyedwards
09-10-2012, 07:58 AM
Even losing worlds in 2013 wouldn't necessarily make him an underdog. Maybe losing the GPF in 2013 would be bigger. Even Yuna almost lost to Miki Ando and what if she did. Miki wouldn't have been helped that much because Mao would still have been her number one competitor. The current and reigning Olympic champion competing against him would still create some expectation of maybe being an underdog. And what if her two previous Olympic Champions? Plushenko and Lysacek? He could be the world champion and not be the frontrunner.

2001 Yagudin lost to Plushenko but lots still thought Yagudin for the Olympics so even losing may not take some pressure off. He could always have PR in Canada about him being world champ 2 or 3 times but still going up against possible 2 Olympic champions.

IceIceBaby
09-10-2012, 09:28 AM
So Jeff did choreo for both Chan and Hanyu? No wonder Hanyu's new SP looks so horrendous, he is saving the better one to Chan. ;)

spikydurian
09-10-2012, 10:35 AM
My only real fear with him is injuries, not strategy. All these quads are very hard on the body; he just has to make sure he's not attempting quads without all the proper off-ice training/readiness as well as ensuring he doesn't attempt them while tired/sick or otherwise unprepared. That's when accidents happen.
Krall had said in an interview that the pressure on the body when one does a quad is like a fridge falling on you! :eek: I hope Patrick can pace his training well to suit his body within this 1 1/2 years.


As for Olympics, no one is unbeatable. Very few have the mental fortitude as the likes of Yags, Stojko, Boitano and Plushy. Very few are of that calibre in terms of being always battle ready. Chan will be very well prepared, but every bit as competitively fragile as the rest of the field.
I don't think Patrick is a lock for gold too, not anyone in fact though I think he stands a good chance to podium based on his current skills. Mental strength is a must in elite sports perhaps more so for figure skating than swimming, athletics etc. A total of 8-10 minutes to display skills alone is a long time. :( I hope with his past experience in Vancouver and recent two Worlds, he understands himself and his mind better than anyone. Only he, and he alone can deliver in that moment. Browning had said .. the ability to remain calm as the time draws nearer is important.

Ziggy
09-10-2012, 11:21 PM
So Jeff did choreo for both Chan and Hanyu? No wonder Hanyu's new SP looks so horrendous, he is saving the better one to Chan. ;)

Huh? Hanyu's SP looks like the strongest program he's had so far, by far.

mossop
09-11-2012, 12:10 AM
So Jeff did choreo for both Chan and Hanyu? No wonder Hanyu's new SP looks so horrendous,
Takes two hands to clap... :P

flipforsynchro
09-11-2012, 01:46 AM
With men in Sochi, they will go on and on and on about how history is about to be made as a Canadian man might win Olympic Gold for the first time. There will be a ton of interviews with Chan about how he is ready to win the Gold and has prepared for this moment all his life and so on and so forth. . .

I'd almost prefer him to go in as an underdog.

Me too. Although I think it would be difficult for him to be an underdog considering he'd have to lose a lot in these next two-ish years, but I think it would take a lot of the pressure off.