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RFOS
09-10-2012, 10:12 PM
This might be a really stupid question, but what would happen if he did not turn himself in to New York authorities within 72 hours?

Vagabond
09-10-2012, 10:13 PM
Not to take away from the seriousness of the topic, but I would love to see the breakdown of the ridiculous $5 million coaching bill that's been mentioned several times now.

Come again?

That's what the plaintiff is asking for in her suit. It isn't a "coaching bill." Since it is most likely primarily for emotional distress and not doctors' bills, etc., it's probably just a figure her lawyers put in the pleadings. It doesn't mean all that much.


This might be a really stupid question, but what would happen if he did not turn himself in to New York authorities within 72 hours?

He would probably be cited for contempt, maybe jailed in Maryland, and possibly handed over to New York authorities. Nice alternative, huh?

Artistic Skaters
09-10-2012, 10:26 PM
In this particular case, it is also not only a teenager who is involved, but also her father with $5-million bill to Sretenski. I am from non-American context, maybe it is normal for the US but this $5-million bill gives me thoughts about this case that would not be appreciated in this thread.

Did I read too literally?

???? Bill or Lawsuit ???

I guess I read these & similar comments as a lawsuit was filed with untrue charges & one of the reasons is because the father or parents or skater has an enormous skating bill with Sretenski.

ETA: Okay, I read back over the comments & I apparently misinterpreted them due to the ESL issue & they were talking about the lawsuit even though it's referred to as a bill. My apologies.

snowballs
09-10-2012, 10:41 PM
This might be a really stupid question, but what would happen if he did not turn himself in to New York authorities within 72 hours?

In addition to what Vagabond just said, Genrikh would also lose his beautiful home, as the reports stated that his home is collateral for his bail.

RFOS
09-10-2012, 10:45 PM
He would probably be cited for contempt, maybe jailed in Maryland, and possibly handed over to New York authorities. Nice alternative, huh?

Not particularly, no, but if the Maryland police would hand him over to the New York authorities if he doesn't surrender within 3 days then wouldn't that essentially be the same thing as extradition?

demetriosj
09-10-2012, 10:50 PM
USFSA did not take any action against him even with a serious complaint on file?

You are assuming that USFS gives a damn about their skaters.............

snowballs
09-10-2012, 11:04 PM
Not particularly, no, but if the Maryland police would hand him over to the New York authorities if he doesn't surrender within 3 days then wouldn't that essentially be the same thing as extradition?

I was wondering the same thing. It does give him 3 days to get his affairs in order (no pun intended). But when he gets to New York, does he go to jail there, or does he just check into a hotel (whoops...!)

tralfamadorian
09-11-2012, 12:12 AM
Something is not entirely clear to me, is the police investigation in NY over and are the charges final or is this still an ongoing investigation?

Also some of the early articles made it sound as if he was some kind of fugitive and tried to escape from NY when on second reading it rather seems like he was just in his home as usual and the police came to arrest him? I'm just wondering because of he has 72 hours to turn himself in now, why didn't he have that before? (or did he have 72 hours and not show up?) Is this the normal procedure?

marysy
09-11-2012, 12:24 AM
Something is not entirely clear to me, is the police investigation in NY over and are the charges final or is this still an ongoing investigation?

Also some of the early articles made it sound as if he was some kind of fugitive and tried to escape from NY when on second reading it rather seems like he was just in his home as usual and the police came to arrest him? I'm just wondering because of he has 72 hours to turn himself in now, why didn't he have that before? (or did he have 72 hours and not show up?) Is this the normal procedure?

From what I understand, because the alleged incident happened a year ago in Lake Placid, the charges are for NY and therefore have to be handled there. As far as I can tell, he was just at home as usual in Maryland and was arrested there, but have to be handed over to NY authorities (hence the move for extradition) for the investigation to proceed.

MacMadame
09-11-2012, 04:25 PM
Sometimes it is not only about the money.
I don't think it's necessarily about the money here. The legal system in the US is kind of counter-intuitive at times particularly when it comes to civil suits. I was once sued for over a million dollars (along with my insurance company and Hertz). I freaked out a bit but the lawyer for Hertz said that was pretty standard and the actual settlement would be much lower (and it was). It's common here to ask for a lot to get what you deserve. It's kind of like the doctor billing $1000 for some minor medical procedure and getting $100 from the insurance company. They do that because if they bill $100, they'd get $10. Stupid IMO but it's how the system is set up.

In this case 5 million is some maximum that PSA would pay out through their insurance so it makes sense to ask for that. I think the actual settlement, if any, would be much lower and I am speculating that the civil lawsuit was filed to get publicity for the incident because the police were taking so long to file charges and the PSA and USFS did nothing and this is a way to get parents of teenage girls to be on their guard against Sretenski. I could be wrong about this but I could seem myself doing that if it was my kid and I was worried about other kids.


Not particularly, no, but if the Maryland police would hand him over to the New York authorities if he doesn't surrender within 3 days then wouldn't that essentially be the same thing as extradition?
Yes, but there was some technicality with the extradition papers that made them not valid. I guess someone filed something wrong.

laurenannie
09-11-2012, 06:50 PM
In this case 5 million is some maximum that PSA would pay out through their insurance so it makes sense to ask for that. I think the actual settlement, if any, would be much lower and I am speculating that the civil lawsuit was filed to get publicity for the incident because the police were taking so long to file charges and the PSA and USFS did nothing and this is a way to get parents of teenage girls to be on their guard against Sretenski. I could be wrong about this but I could seem myself doing that if it was my kid and I was worried about other kids.



I don't know. It looks like the complaint was filed in July and hasn't even been served, which is very weird. Sretenski shouldn't have been hard to find as they know where he works. Also, most lawyers will accept service of legal documents on behalf of their client, and there is apparently also a CPS proceeding. Filing a lawsuit and then doing nothing won't get publicity for the incident, obviously no one knew anything about it until Sretenski was arrested. There might be a strategic reason, I've just never filed a case and then not bothered to serve the defendant. But then, I'm a small town New Mexico lawyer, not a fancy Washington DC lawyer. ;)

I'm hopeful that the facts, whatever they may be, come out. But I think most criminal defense attorneys would agree that sexual assault trials are the absolute hardest to win.

Rob
09-11-2012, 07:24 PM
Interesting that it was not served. I am a DC/MD lawyer, but not generally a litigator, and I don't know why you'd file a case and not serve it as long as you knew where the person was located -- if you file because the statute of limitations is expiring, and you don't even try to serve, it won't help you. In this case, I think the statute of limitations would be tolled till the minor turned 18 anyway. Lawyers have faxed me draft (unfiled) complaints that they would file against my client if my client did not resolve the issue outside litigation in a manner that was satisfactory to their clients (maybe in this case, "stop texting my daughter or else"???). Sometimes that is enough of an attention getter without actually filing.

berthesghost
09-11-2012, 11:35 PM
I don't know. It looks like the complaint was filed in July and hasn't even been served, which is very weird. Sretenski shouldn't have been hard to find as they know where he works. Also, most lawyers will accept service of legal documents on behalf of their client, and there is apparently also a CPS proceeding. Filing a lawsuit and then doing nothing won't get publicity for the incident, obviously no one knew anything about it until Sretenski was arrested. There might be a strategic reason, I've just never filed a case and then not bothered to serve the defendant. But then, I'm a small town New Mexico lawyer, not a fancy Washington DC lawyer. ;)

I'm hopeful that the facts, whatever they may be, come out. But I think most criminal defense attorneys would agree that sexual assault trials are the absolute hardest to win.That's interesting. I know nothing about this sort of stuff.

He allegedly abused her in July/aug of last year and apparently an entire year went by where nobody in either state seemed to do anything. A year later and her career is over and he's still teaching.

Then her dad files a law suit and suddenly within weeks he's arrested and the few details we do know are all over the papers and all from the suit.

Hmmm...

attyfan
09-11-2012, 11:43 PM
All torts have a "statute of limitations", which is a time limit in which a lawsuit must be filed, or it will be forever barred. The suit may have been filed so that the right to sue is not lost. In such cases, the civil suit is usually stayed pending the outcome of the criminal matter because the defendant's Fifth Amendment rights means that he cannot be compelled to respond to discovery in the civil action (since the responses could be used against him in a ciminal trial).

Artistic Skaters
09-12-2012, 12:29 AM
The civil charges are also against the rink & Mid Atlantic Ice Dance College (not to be confused with Mid Atlantic Skating School), according to the news article in the Baltimore Sun. So it does not sound like everything in question happened in NY, & they are claiming something of significance also happened in MD.