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query5
09-05-2012, 06:47 PM
courtney got gifted at lake placid due to her previous injury, she double footed her jumps in the short and long and didn't get taken off for them like she should.

they way they allow certain U.S. skaters to get away with their jumps like, courtney, agnes, ashley, mirai, gracie and not get caught doesn't help me to follow them or the current crop, shows they are pushing, favoring those skaters no matter what,
only pulls me further away from the sport

kwanatic
09-05-2012, 07:24 PM
they way they allow certain U.S. skaters to get away with their jumps like, courtney, agnes, ashley, mirai, gracie and not get caught

I agree that some of Courtney's jumps looked a little short and they might have been. I mean, do they even have slo-replay at the JGP events? I think hers look short b/c she tends to hook some of her landings...what I mean is her exiting edge curves inward sharply. I prefer a nice outward riding edge. Courtney jumps really big but her jumps aren't very pretty to me. Sometimes they look a little wild and unrestrained in the air and on the landings...just like the rest of her skating. I hope she gains some fluidity and finesse as she gets older.

They do let skaters get away with calls on occasion (especially US skaters at competitions held in the US), but more often than not they are penalized.

Jammers
09-06-2012, 07:25 AM
courtney got gifted at lake placid due to her previous injury, she double footed her jumps in the short and long and didn't get taken off for them like she should.

they way they allow certain U.S. skaters to get away with their jumps like, courtney, agnes, ashley, mirai, gracie and not get caught doesn't help me to follow them or the current crop, shows they are pushing, favoring those skaters no matter what,
only pulls me further away from the sport

Why include Gracie and Agnes in that list? When they are both on those two are among the best jumpers in the world and they rotate their jumps.

Marco
09-06-2012, 08:27 AM
I agree that some of Courtney's jumps looked a little short and they might have been. I mean, do they even have slo-replay at the JGP events? I think hers look short b/c she tends to hook some of her landings...what I mean is her exiting edge curves inward sharply. I prefer a nice outward riding edge. Courtney jumps really big but her jumps aren't very pretty to me. Sometimes they look a little wild and unrestrained in the air and on the landings...just like the rest of her skating. I hope she gains some fluidity and finesse as she gets older.

ITA about the hook landings. She really needs to refine her technique and timing - she rushes her takeoffs and her jumps are just not pretty, even if high.

If the little stylistic details are not fixed under Nicks, it doesn't look good that they can be fixed elsewhere.

chipso1
09-06-2012, 06:03 PM
ITA about the hook landings. She really needs to refine her technique and timing - she rushes her takeoffs and her jumps are just not pretty, even if high.

If the little stylistic details are not fixed under Nicks, it doesn't look good that they can be fixed elsewhere.

Courtney is not with Nicks anymore. Her new coach is Scott Wendland.

Sylvia
09-06-2012, 06:09 PM
Scott Wendland was Courtney Hicks' coach when she was 5th in Novice at 2010 Nationals.


Typo on USFSA website. Baga was 5th not 4th at lake Placid
It's been fixed.

jlai
09-06-2012, 06:19 PM
Despite what viewers say about Courtney, she had the highest pcs at Lake Placid for the lp.She must
have been exciting to watch live

Thx. Sylvia!

kwanatic
09-06-2012, 08:33 PM
Despite what viewers say about Courtney, she had the highest pcs at Lake Placid for the lp.She must
have been exciting to watch live

Thx. Sylvia!

The judges were a bit more generous b/c of that whole "home ice" advantage. Courtney skates with good speed and has pretty good transitions...so those scores should be decent. But in terms of aesthetically pleasing skating, she's not very good. Like Marco said, she needs to refine her technique. In addition to that, she needs to work on her lines, control and overall presentation. She has time to correct these things and I really hope she does. However, if Nicks couldn't help smooth her out, I doubt if Wendland will be able to.

skfan
09-06-2012, 08:57 PM
^ hmmm.... i don't know about that. a famous coach might have a lot of students, though we know mr. nicks is quite strict about who he takes on as a student.

anyway, few people had heard of kori ade before jason brown caught everyone's eye, right? :)

me, i'd like to think the right combo of personalities and logistics make all the difference-- probably because it makes me sad when people say things like, if mr. frank carroll couldn't help mirai, how can wendy olson (sp)? :)

re: courtney's PCS from lake placid. i don't like to extrapolate what a skater's performance must have been like from the judges scores, because that assumes the judges' scores always accurately reflect what actually happened on ice. judges are human, they can err, too. i've also seen instances of skaters' PCS changing when the #1 skater from their country retire and now they are suddenly the clear #1 from country X, so... *shrugs*

jlai
09-06-2012, 09:06 PM
The judges were a bit more generous b/c of that whole "home ice" advantage. Courtney skates with good speed and has pretty good transitions...so those scores should be decent. But in terms of aesthetically pleasing skating, she's not very good. Like Marco said, she needs to refine her technique. In addition to that, she needs to work on her lines, control and overall presentation. She has time to correct these things and I really hope she does. However, if Nicks couldn't help smooth her out, I doubt if Wendland will be able to.

Courtney got nearly 49 points in pcs last year in Australia, so if there is inflation
for any reason, it is not by much.

I also found her a bit stiff, but I'd add that video viewing sometimes exaggerates flaws that are not so glaring live (cough...Rachael). Anyway, she has things to improve for sure, though at the same time I am glad she is not a baby ballerina

leapfrogonice
09-06-2012, 10:32 PM
Glad to see Mirai getting Finlandia. Who is her coach now?

Agree that this is a good thing for the many talented ladies hoping to emerge from Pacific Coasts and make it to Omaha.

chipso1
09-11-2012, 03:41 AM
Through the first two weeks of the international season...

2012-13 U.S. Ladies -- Top International Scores

1. Courtney HICKS (153.77), JGP Lake Placid
2. Angela WANG (150.40), JGP Lake Placid
3. Kiri BAGA (142.22), JGP Lake Placid
4. Vanessa LAM (140.89), JGP Courchevel
5. Ashley CAIN (136.51), JGP Courchevel

Upcoming (confirmed) assignments:

U.S. Int'l Classic (Gracie GOLD, Agnes ZAWADZKI)
JGP Linz (Samantha CESARIO, Hannah MILLER)
JGP Istanbul (Nina JIANG, Leah KEISER)
JGP Bled (Courtney HICKS, Barbie LONG)
Nebelhorn Trophy (Caroline ZHANG)
Finlandia Trophy (Mirai NAGASU)

Sylvia
09-11-2012, 04:02 AM
Yasmin Siraj competed at and won the Senior Ladies event at the Middle Atlantics club competition this past weekend in NYC, scoring 90.63 in the FS and 146.63 total (her season high score to date). I really like her new "Seven Years in Tibet" FS - she expresses the lyrical music very well, IMO. She turned out of her first 3Lz and put a hand down on her 2nd 3Lz but it was encouraging to see her land this jump that she was falling on at Liberty in July.

Rachael Flatt is scheduled to compete at the Skate St. Moritz club competition in Oakland, Calif. on Sunday, Sept. 16 (both short and long programs on the same day).


Glad to see Mirai getting Finlandia. Who is her coach now?
See my post and related Champs Camp article link earlier in this thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3669169#post3669169

Marco
09-11-2012, 07:54 AM
Is Wagner not to publicly debut her programs until the GPs?

Sylvia
09-11-2012, 01:43 PM
Wagner debuted her SP at the Michael Weiss Foundation show this past Saturday (see the thread in GSD for reports and photos) and she is scheduled to debut her FS at the Japan Open on Oct 6.