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judgejudy27
11-24-2012, 10:48 PM
It's amazing how fast people are going to write off Caroline. Almost no one had any faith for her last season or the season before that or even two seasons before the last one and she still managed to make a great comeback late in the 2012 season. Who says she can't do that again this season?

Well good for her if she can somehow skate as well as she did at Nationals last year, but even that netted her only 4th place in a really poorly skated event. This years event is likely to be stronger than last years, so even the same incredible skates (for her, given where she had come from, and where she would be coming from again this time) would likely not even net a result that high, never mind the 2nd spot on the World team.

Coco
11-24-2012, 10:52 PM
Doesn't matter - can't request fair judging and then in the same breath ask them to "protect" skater X in case she slips up...they can do one or the other, but not both!

Well, you can request anything you want, especially since the judges certainly aren't taking requests from us.

I think stating that Wagner should be sent to worlds regardless of what happens at Nationals is just common sense. It's the system of deciding the world team at Nationals that makes "protection" necessary.

RD
11-24-2012, 11:08 PM
I think stating that Wagner should be sent to worlds regardless of what happens at Nationals is just common sense. It's the system of deciding the world team at Nationals that makes "protection" necessary.

Exactly. Which just strengthens the point I made above about the big, glaring problem with using only Nationals to determine the World team.

Suppose everything was judged fairly and the results turned out like this: 1. Gold 2. Nagasu 3. Wagner. Forget odds, likelihood, etc. and just suppose this happens. If we had some flexibility, you can send Gold as the champion, and then choose 3rd place Wagner over 2nd place Nagasu, citing better placements and/or higher scores on the GP (and GPF qualification). The way it's set up now, they'd probably boost Wagner's PCS or GOE to make sure she's in second position, robbing Nagasu of a deserved silver medal all because of how she performed on the Grand Prix. Rep Scoring at its finest. When does a competition stop being a competition and become a coronation? We just saw this at NHK.

smarts1
11-24-2012, 11:08 PM
Well good for her if she can somehow skate as well as she did at Nationals last year, but even that netted her only 4th place in a really poorly skated event. This years event is likely to be stronger than last years, so even the same incredible skates (for her, given where she had come from, and where she would be coming from again this time) would likely not even net a result that high, never mind the 2nd spot on the World team.

And who says Nationals in 2012 won't be poorly skated again?

Sasha'sSpins
11-25-2012, 02:03 AM
Im not a fan of Mirai, but she deserved 2nd at NHK and Mao should have been 3rd ( maybe even fourth )

Agreed. Thrilled for Mirai-she medalled in her final GP of the season and wasn't even expected to be there! I'm very proud of all of the U.S. ladies. I'm very excited for the GPF, Nationals-and WORLDS! :D

jlai
11-25-2012, 02:06 AM
Mirai medalled in her second gp the last three seasons, so her winning a bronze isn't really a surprise

emma1227
11-25-2012, 02:35 AM
Speaking of juniors, didn't Vanessa Lam have a huge score at Sectionals? Is she skating as a junior or senior at Nationals?

Sylvia
11-25-2012, 02:37 AM
This will be Vanessa Lam's 3rd Nationals at the senior level (7th in 2011, 9th in 2012).

SENIOR QUALIFIERS via Sectionals:
Easterns 1-4: Samantha Cesario 163.53, Yasmin Siraj 151.35, Haley Dunne 139.69, Joelle Forte 136.47;
Midwesterns 1-4: Ashley Cain 161.49, Becky Bereswill 149.44, Kiri Baga 141.42, Morgan Bell 133.06;
Pacifics 1-4: Vanessa Lam 177.73, Courtney Hicks 161.72, Sophia Adams 131.49, Amanda Hofmann 122.29.

ETA: Of those listed above, Cain, Hicks, and Hofmann are making their senior national debuts (as well as Hannah Miller, one of the 3 U.S. JGP Finalists).

AliasJohnDoe
11-25-2012, 03:16 AM
Angela Wang skated Senior last Nationals and is in the Junior Grand Prix Final in a few weeks. She also has verified triple-triples.

Angela Wang was also 6th in the Free Program at 2012 Nationals. Ahead of Nagasu and Zawadzki in the FP.

I thought she was a little hosed on PCS in the FP since she was only 16th in the SP and skated in the earlier groups.

victoriaheidi
11-25-2012, 09:56 AM
I seriously love Angela Wang and think she has so much potential. My only concern with her is that she's prone to really weak SPs.

worldsnice12
11-25-2012, 11:24 AM
Agreed. Thrilled for Mirai-she medalled in her final GP of the season and wasn't even expected to be there! I'm very proud of all of the U.S. ladies. I'm very excited for the GPF, Nationals-and WORLDS! :D


Mirai was doing great but looking at her scores makes me wonder if she does not need to work on that 3S for next season..
I think with her current layout and if she manages to get those UR's under control she will score 120+..but Ashley is already scoring 125+ with a 6 triple LP and will surely try to upgrade her 2A/2T to a 2A/3T and potentially score 130+??

Mirai looks very motivated and building up her confidence out there.I know it is not going to be easy for her to get those UR's and edge calls under control but I have always liked how she is going for it all and rarely pop any jumps..She has the talent to aim high and seems to be "hungry" to do better.I loved the fact that she was happy about her 3rd place at NHK (and rightly so) but not 100% satisfied with the scoring and seemed eager to get back into training.
It is rather interesting how many "late bloomers" we have seen these last years and there are really no reason to count out these young women too early!

emma1227
11-25-2012, 02:17 PM
Thanks, I knew it was something insane!

icellist
11-25-2012, 03:29 PM
I seriously love Angela Wang and think she has so much potential. My only concern with her is that she's prone to really weak SPs.

Reminds me of a young Wagner.

And for the 3rd year in a row, Mirai is an alternate for the GPF. IMHO, I like Mirai's programs better than Wagner's this year. I will compliment in saying that Wagner never breaks character and performs better.

demetriosj
11-25-2012, 03:31 PM
Angela Wang was also 6th in the Free Program at 2012 Nationals. Ahead of Nagasu and Zawadzki in the FP.

I thought she was a little hosed on PCS in the FP since she was only 16th in the SP and skated in the earlier groups.

Yes, PCS is used just like the artistic score in 6.0. No difference, just a different name.

Sylvia
11-25-2012, 03:37 PM
That's why it's so important for the skaters to skate well in the SP... and why Angela Wang needs to keep churning out clean short programs like she did in her 2nd JGP in Croatia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx2qm--ZMWA