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love_skate2011
11-24-2012, 07:12 PM
I'd put Gold and Nagasu in the same boat for No.2, they have the potential of scoring high
Zawadzki is not a contender, she can easily implode in FS, I'd have Gao and Wang ahead of her

sad to say but I think Flatt and Zhang are done

chipso1
11-24-2012, 07:24 PM
Flatt is definitely out for the rest of the season to heal some nagging injuries.

Zhang is going to need to dig deep and find some spark if she hopes to make the Worlds or 4CC team this year. She's looked absolutely dismal, which is a shame because she was fantastic at 4CCs last year.

judgejudy27
11-24-2012, 07:26 PM
No matter what she does from here Zhang can always be proud of her 2012 comeback. It was inspiring to watch someone climb out of the ultimate depths and even be a contender at the U.S level again. I tend to agree both Flatt and Zhang are done as factors, 110% certain for Flatt, 85% likely for Zhang. It is too bad she didnt mantain her early 2012 level of skating, as the U.S women behind Wagner are still shaky enough she might have gotten some real consideration for the #2 spot if she had (which she wasnt ever going to really get at last years Nationals no matter how well she did and how poorly others did, as we basically saw play out).

Alex Forrest
11-24-2012, 07:43 PM
No matter what she does from here Zhang can always be proud of her 2012 comeback. It was inspiring to watch someone climb out of the ultimate depths and even be a contender at the U.S level again. I tend to agree both Flatt and Zhang are done as factors, 110% certain for Flatt, 85% likely for Zhang. It is too bad she didnt mantain her early 2012 level of skating, as the U.S women behind Wagner are still shaky enough she might have gotten some real consideration for the #2 spot if she had (which she wasnt ever going to really get at last years Nationals no matter how well she did and how poorly others did, as we basically saw play out).

See I feel awkward right now. I never realized I quoted JJ and agreed so much or JJ quoted me and agreed. Unless JJ is playing games with me and knows me and has my cell number, we have never had contact before.

But anyway, okay, I agree with JJ. Couldn't have said it better.

RD
11-24-2012, 08:54 PM
I'll see how Zhang does at Nationals before writing her off for good...I almost certainly do not see her contending for a world spot though.

Coco
11-24-2012, 08:55 PM
I think they should just give it to whoever skates best at Nationals. No U.S lady this year should go into Nationals with any clear advantage except Wagner who deserves to be protected even if she somehow has a bad event there.

Truer words were never written! I mean, COME ON USFSA. This is the year to let that 2nd spot be earned on the ice. I think all four are equally unreliable. I'm sure they want Gold to emerge as future star, but do they really want spots for the Olympics to depend on her? Go with whoever rotates their jumps, stands them up and skates like they want to be there.

ambern024
11-24-2012, 09:21 PM
i think the us best shots as of now to try and get 3 spots are Mirai and Ashley.

RD
11-24-2012, 09:38 PM
I think they should just give it to whoever skates best at Nationals. No U.S lady this year should go into Nationals with any clear advantage except Wagner who deserves to be protected even if she somehow has a bad event there.

The bolded statements contradict each other- it can only go two ways: either they score based on what they see on the ice, OR they pick and choose favorites.

Nationals needs to be fairly judged. If Wagner slips up, penalize her appropriately. If the GP is any indication, though, she can probably afford a mistake or two anyway unless Gold skates lights out.

skateboy
11-24-2012, 09:45 PM
The bolded statements contradict each other- it can only go two ways: either they score based on what they see on the ice, OR they pick and choose favorites.

Nationals needs to be fairly judged. If Wagner slips up, penalize her appropriately. If the GP is any indication, though, she can probably afford a mistake or two anyway unless Gold skates lights out.

I agree with this.

Coco
11-24-2012, 09:47 PM
I think "it" means the 2nd spot.

RD
11-24-2012, 10:02 PM
I think "it" means the 2nd spot.

Doesn't matter - can't request fair judging and then in the same breath ask them to "protect" skater X in case she slips up...they can do one or the other, but not both!

victoriaheidi
11-24-2012, 10:07 PM
Remember the year that Miki got the Olympics spot because she medaled at the GPF? It does kinda make sense...

Let's see how Ashley does there, because that WILL make a difference in her Nationals PCS. But not sending the girl with the #1 score of the season for 2 seasons running and the best record of any lady internationally this season would be really hard to explain, IMO.

RD
11-24-2012, 10:21 PM
This is a fundamental reason why I'm against the current USFS policy of simply sending the top finishers from nationals to worlds.

When you place so much emphasis on one competition, what happens when someone who has done excellent all season long suddenly has an off-night at nationals? Whereas, if the world team didn't depend solely on nationals, there might be significantly less pressure on judges to hold up favorites (i.e. those who have skated well internationally) and more incentive to actually judge the competition fairly.

smarts1
11-24-2012, 10:27 PM
It's amazing how fast people are going to write off Caroline. Almost no one had any faith for her last season or the season before that or even two seasons before the last one and she still managed to make a great comeback late in the 2012 season. Who says she can't do that again this season?

demetriosj
11-24-2012, 10:36 PM
I also don't see any US Junior ladies being a menace at Senior nationals (Miller, Wang, Keiser, Cesario). There are a decent no. of US Senior ladies getting the job done that the Junior gals will be held back a little on PCS. front!
:P

Angela Wang skated Senior last Nationals and is in the Junior Grand Prix Final in a few weeks. She also has verified triple-triples.