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Sylvia
11-17-2012, 11:40 PM
For score buffs...

ISU Personal Best Total Scores - U.S. Ladies in the current top 50: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/pbslto.htm

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6 Sasha COHEN USA MasterCard Skate Canada Int. 2003 01.11.2003 197.60
7 Ashley WAGNER USA Four Continents Championships 2012 11.02.2012 192.41
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9 Mirai NAGASU USA XXI Olympic Winter Games 2010 25.02.2010 190.15
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11 Kimmie MEISSNER USA World Championships 2006 25.03.2006 189.87
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18 Rachael FLATT USA XXI Olympic Winter Games 2010 25.02.2010 182.49
19 Alissa CZISNY USA World Championships 2011 30.04.2011 182.25
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22 Jennifer KIRK USA Smart Ones Skate America 2003 25.10.2003 178.77
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28 Caroline ZHANG USA ISU Grand Prix Final 2008 15.12.2007 176.48
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30 Michelle KWAN USA World Championships 2005 19.03.2005 175.20
31 Gracie GOLD USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012 175.03
32 Christina GAO USA ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2012 21.10.2012 174.25
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36 Agnes ZAWADZKI USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012 166.61
37 Emily HUGHES USA Four Continents Championships 2007 10.02.2007 166.60
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43 Katy TAYLOR USA Four Continents Championships 2006 28.01.2006 164.05
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45 Angela WANG USA ISU JGP Croatia Cup 2012 06.10.2012 162.65 JR
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50 Yasmin SIRAJ USA ISU JGP J. Curry Memorial 2010 01.10.2010 161.75 JR

TwizzlerS
11-17-2012, 11:41 PM
BTW, isn't Wagner's score the highest international CoP score for a US lady ever?

No, but her score is the highest for this year.

Sylvia
11-18-2012, 12:56 AM
Jean-Christophe Berlot spoke with Ashley before her free skate at TEB: Bringing the drama: Wagner in a class of her own (http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121117&content_id=40337756&vkey=ice_news)
Excerpt:

"I spent a lot of time studying Michelle Kwan's programs, and the way she would interact with the audience. Michelle was so beloved from the audience. She skated to perform, not only to win. It's certainly a level I would like to reach -- both for the results and the performing success. That would be the best of both worlds."

"I wish skating had more strong individuals, some champions the audience can latch on to. In the U.S., the skating audience is dwindling now. I'd like to go back to what it was in Michelle Kwan's times. Performance is what people come to watch, beyond technique. Of course, you go for the elements, where you get the points. But the components are also so important."

"I think that I have turned into a performer now, even though I, of course, need to remain concentrated and focused on my technical elements. I have found the 'happy medium' between being a technical athlete and a performer, I think."

Showing a strong personality and feeling it inside her does not prevent Wagner from having her own questions, though.

"The biggest challenge for me now is to experience all the success I have and not let it intimidate me," she offered. "Maintaining that upward spiral of success and yet being able to mentally handle it. That is my biggest challenge."

Jenna
11-18-2012, 01:00 AM
Apparently, Ashley is the first US woman to win two GPs in the same season since Sasha Cohen in 2003. USFS posted that on twitter. Yay Ashley!

Agree about spin levels...she did get better levels in her SP, but she definitely needs to get those up because, even if she has the highest scores, she's still missing points she should logically get.

Ashley's spins looked strong to me in France. I do not understand the loss of levels on the FSSp and LSp. To me, they seemed like clear level fours. The combination spin at the end was rushed..she didn't hold the forward camel variation long enough so I can see the loss of the level there, The caller at this competition was pretty tough.

Alex Forrest
11-18-2012, 02:24 AM
Samson and Delilah is one of my favorite pieces. There is such raw sexuality and exhibitionism in it. Maybe Ashley doesn't capture that, but the final footwork sequence shows she or her choreographer knows what it is all about. For a couple of years Vladimir Kotin ended his programs with S and D. And he skated with D and A. Very very sexy. I guess since Ashley is a Nicks student she wouldn't go all out, but she's doing almost enough, I just wish she had more UUMPH in that final step sequence. The crowd is applauding, give them more.

My first skate crush was Vladimir Kotin. Please don't tell me he is a vodka drinking lush. He was so sexy back in the 80s. But I guess so was I...

victoriaheidi
11-18-2012, 02:34 AM
Ashley's spins looked strong to me in France. I do not understand the loss of levels on the FSSp and LSp. To me, they seemed like clear level fours. The combination spin at the end was rushed..she didn't hold the forward camel variation long enough so I can see the loss of the level there, The caller at this competition was pretty tough.

If there's one remaining weakness, though, it's definitely her spins. Not that she has bad spins--at all--but she could have more consistent spins. She should not wind up in a time crunch and miss levels because she misses half a rotation (obviously, a variety of factors were at play).

burntBREAD
11-18-2012, 02:51 AM
Ashley's spins looked strong to me in France. I do not understand the loss of levels on the FSSp and LSp. To me, they seemed like clear level fours. The combination spin at the end was rushed..she didn't hold the forward camel variation long enough so I can see the loss of the level there, The caller at this competition was pretty tough.

Someone noted that she already used the (8?) revolution feature in her FSSp and it can only be used once, so she lost a level on the LSp. I don't think she has enough features on her FSSp, as a lot of people who are doing FSSp are doing what she does (death drop, two difficult variations) but with a flying change between the change of positions.

leafygreens
11-18-2012, 03:09 AM
Nationals is TWO MONTHS AWAY. Plenty of time to heal some more and get the programs in front of some judges somewhere.

No. Sorry. Not gonna happen. I would love to see Alissa there, but you've got to be realistic. How many skaters show up only for nationals, after surgery, and do just awesome? It's hard enough when you are healthy. Evan, Johnny, Sasha, Michelle, ALL had problems with this.

I predicted months ago that she would not be ready for NHK because recovery from this surgery is hellacious. Lipinski claims to have been doing triples within two weeks. She's either superhuman or full of it. For the mere mortals, it's not possible.

victoriaheidi
11-18-2012, 03:31 AM
A lot of it with Alissa is mental, too, moreso than a lot of other skaters. She may have just as hard a time recovering from this surgery physically as she does emotionally. She left the ice on a really disastrous note, and she may be having mental consistency problems as she tries to get back into competition.

And I don't intend to be a computer psychologist. What I mean is that Alissa isn't known for her mental solidity.

Marco
11-18-2012, 07:39 AM
If there's one remaining weakness, though, it's definitely her spins. Not that she has bad spins--at all--but she could have more consistent spins. She should not wind up in a time crunch and miss levels because she misses half a rotation (obviously, a variety of factors were at play).

If anything, it isn't just the spins. It's the whole final segment. The music is so tight and she always seems to be in such a rush that her circular steps doesn't come close to the boards, her choreographic sequence doesn't cover enough ice, she often has to skip the forward spiral and split jump that follow her Charlotte at the end, and again the rush on the final spin. It's a lot of points on the table.

Marco
11-18-2012, 07:43 AM
Another thing to note, Wagner has convincingly beaten almost all the top Russian ladies in her 2 GPs (Sot and Leonova in USA and Tuk, Lip and Polina K in FRA) whom she is likely to compete against at the GPF and Worlds this season and in Sochi next season, without landing a 3/3 or even 2/3.

NadineWhite
11-18-2012, 09:21 AM
Congrats to Ashley on winning her second GP gold of the season in Paris! :cheer2:

2012-13 U.S. Ladies -- Top International Scores

1. Ashley WAGNER (190.63), Trophee Eric Bompard
2. Gracie GOLD (175.03), Rostelecom Cup
3. Christina GAO (174.25), Skate America
4. Agnes ZAWADZKI (172.95), U.S. Classic
5. Mirai NAGASU (163.46), Cup of China
6. Angela WANG (162.65), JGP Zagreb

7. Hannah MILLER (158.52), JGP Linz
8. Samantha CESARIO (157.72), JGP Linz
9. Leah KEISER (156.33), JGP Istanbul
10. Courtney HICKS (153.77), JGP Lake Placid
11. Caroline ZHANG (149.87), Skate Canada
12. Barbie LONG (147.19), JGP Bled

13. Kiri BAGA (142.22), JGP Lake Placid
14. Vanessa LAM (140.89), JGP Courchevel
15. Ashley CAIN (136.51), JGP Courchevel
16. Rachael FLATT (136.09), Skate America out for rest of season
17. Nina JIANG (115.48), JGP Istanbul


Upcoming assignments:

NHK Trophy (Mirai NAGASU, Agnes ZAWADZKI)
JGP Final (Leah KEISER, Hannah MILLER, Angela WANG)
GP Final (Ashley WAGNER)



:respec::encore:CONGRATULATIONS, ASHLEY, ON ANOTHER GOLD MEDAL AND A NEW PERSONAL BEST SCORE!:cheer::cheer2:

After reading this thread, I just now watched the aforementioned program and was blown away by another perfect program from Ashley. Not surprised though. She's always had it in her, always, from the beginning. She has what cannot be taught - the heart of a champion, passion, *fight*, and consistency. :cool:




For score buffs...

ISU Personal Best Total Scores - U.S. Ladies in the current top 50: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/pbslto.htm


Thanks for the stats, well deserved, and correct imho. Ashley still has a ways to go to match Sasha's performance ability and artistry. However, she's getting there. Imho her "Black Swan" is almost on par with Sasha's "Romeo & Juliet". In fact she's always reminded me of Sasha in terms of fight & passion. However, oddly enough she reminded me of Michelle Kwan in this "Samson & Delilah" program. It's all good. :)

johndockley92
11-18-2012, 01:47 PM
Based on all those great scores, if these ladies keep their heads together and perform their best, Nationals will be a great event that I'm really excited for!

smarts1
11-18-2012, 01:55 PM
Ashley's spins looked strong to me in France. I do not understand the loss of levels on the FSSp and LSp. To me, they seemed like clear level fours. The combination spin at the end was rushed..she didn't hold the forward camel variation long enough so I can see the loss of the level there, The caller at this competition was pretty tough.

The level three on the flying sit spin makes sense. Since they got rid of the 8 revolution feature for sit spins, she only has 3 features (the death drop, the first position, and the tuck under the spinning leg).

sk8ingcoach
11-18-2012, 02:00 PM
I just dont like Ashleys programs. They are all the same too me. She just reuses the same stiff arm movements and boring choreography. Her jumps are good, her spins are ok but the program is boring