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TheGirlCanSkate
11-13-2012, 07:14 PM
Well this season it seems like she's teeter-tottering...

She did really well at Glacier Falls (I think that was the competition) and then not so well at her one JGP event...now she appears to be doing well at sectionals....

Has she competed since JGP Courchevel? I believe that was the first JGP event of the season...

That was her only JGP this season.

pinky166
11-13-2012, 07:38 PM
Vanessa has a pattern of doing really well in smaller competitions, but then really underperforming on the bigger stage

Yes, but the domestic judges also don't ding her for her obvious flutz and her PCS are quite a bit higher compared to the JGP. This combined with her tendency to make mistakes at internationals explains why her scores don't match up.

Also guess we don't need to consider Jiang and Zhao into the JW discussion as neither made it to Nationals :( too bad.

sk9tingfan
11-13-2012, 07:55 PM
Okay, sorry to gush but I just fell in love!

I've seen Haley Dunne's name mentioned a few times but I'd never seen her skate. I'm watching sectionals on Icenetwork and I just saw Haley's SP...ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS! Just wow...so elegant and graceful, gorgeous presentation, her program was so well done, she connected to the music and the judges, and her jumps have a lightness about them that is so beautiful!

I couldn't find her performance from sectionals but here's her SP from Liberty earlier this summer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNXEdqmRUAY

Sorry to gush but I wasn't expecting to see that kind of skating at sectionals! Okay, I'm done. :)

I know what you mean. I had the same impression of her skating when I saw her last year at Nationals. I also have a soft spot in my heart for her because she is a tall skater (5'7"). There was a very opinionated woman sitting next to me who supposedly has entre into most of the skating rinks in the greater LA area. She made disparaging remarks about Haley, her height and her size and was totally unsupportive. I who am over six feet tall just glared at her and at the end of Haley's performance, gave her a standing ovation because I thought that she had done a great job and should be appropriately recognized

smarts1
11-13-2012, 08:27 PM
I thought Laney Diggs retired...

olympic
11-13-2012, 08:49 PM
Yes, but the domestic judges also don't ding her for her obvious flutz and her PCS are quite a bit higher compared to the JGP. This combined with her tendency to make mistakes at internationals explains why her scores don't match up.

Also guess we don't need to consider Jiang and Zhao into the JW discussion as neither made it to Nationals :( too bad.

Nina Jiang is my biggest sad. She has so much raw talent and is such a pleasure to watch when she is on. Well, I hope she can put this season behind her and focus on her future. She has a lot to offer the skating world!

kwanatic
11-13-2012, 09:15 PM
Nina Jiang is my biggest sad. She has so much raw talent and is such a pleasure to watch when she is on. Well, I hope she can put this season behind her and focus on her future. She has a lot to offer the skating world!

Agreed. I've been watching her for the past few years and it breaks my heart she can't get those jumps consistent. Her SP from nationals last season was one of my favorites.

smarts1
11-14-2012, 01:09 AM
Does anyone know what happened to Nina this season? She just seemed so off all season at competitions.

pinky166
11-14-2012, 01:47 AM
Does anyone know what happened to Nina this season? She just seemed so off all season at competitions.

Well, she got the harder triples last season, but they've never been that consistent. My guess is probably puberty/growing pains. Last season she did well but for a couple seasons before that she was skating more like the way she has been this season. She looked quite tall in the videos from JGP Turkey, certainly taller than the 5'2" listed as her height on icenetwork, so if she grew a couple inches and filled out a bit since last season, it's not that surprising she's struggling with the harder triples, considering she only really started trying and landing them in competitions last year. It's easy to forget how young she is. Gracie was the same age when she didn't make it out of Mids as a junior and posted similar scores, and then improved hugely the next season. It seems like every season, someone good gets left home after sectionals, and a lot of the time, they come back the next season much improved. I hope Nina does not quit.

Marco
11-14-2012, 06:04 AM
At least both Cesario and Baga made Nationals! :cheer:

Sylvia
11-14-2012, 06:30 PM
She [Lam] did really well at Glacier Falls (I think that was the competition) and then not so well at her one JGP event...now she appears to be doing well at sectionals....

Has she competed since JGP Courchevel? I believe that was the first JGP event of the season...
Vanessa Lam skated very well at the Hidden Valley Open club competition in early July (video of her FS was posted here and many people commented favorably on her improvements), and not quite as well at the Glacier Falls Summer Classic in early August before her JGP in France. Then she had pretty good performances at SWP Regionals in October before her excellent showing at Pacific Coasts, landing her 6 planned triples in her FS (though she did get an edge call on her second 3Lz).


I thought Laney Diggs retired...
It was mentioned in the U.S. Sectionals thread in Kiss and Cry that Diggs is currently in her Junior year at the University of California-Berkeley and doesn't train full-time, so her 5th place finish at Pacific Coasts is a commendable result for her.

From what I hear, Nina Jiang plans to be back competing next year and I believe this season's setback will not deter her from trying to attain her skating goals.

Alissa Czisny has withdrawn from NHK Trophy - link to USFS' press release today: http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=48647&type=media
ETA tweets by Phil Hersh (‏@olyphil) today:

After withdrawing from NHK, Alissa Czisny just texted me: "I have no doubts whatsoever I will be ready and prepared for nationals"

"Withdrawal mostly a matter of not being able/wanting to push hip to prepare in time. Absolutely can't risk any setbacks"

"We are looking for a competition before nationals (even something local would be helpful)"

TheGirlCanSkate
11-14-2012, 08:24 PM
Alissa? That is irritating. She pulls out of 2 events (NHK and a show) just beforehand, a replacement can't be sent and then is looking for another comp? Not a fan at all.

PDilemma
11-14-2012, 08:28 PM
NHK is ten days away. I would think that a replacement is still possible. They don't have to take a sail boat to Japan. There are airplanes.

AliasJohnDoe
11-14-2012, 08:32 PM
NHK is ten days away. I would think that a replacement is still possible. They don't have to take a sail boat to Japan. There are airplanes.

Agreed. At least she didn't wait until next Wednesday to withdraw. There is plenty of time for a replacement to be selected.

DORISPULASKI
11-14-2012, 08:37 PM
There are visa requirements that are not always easy to meet in a couple days. I don't know what they are now, but 20 years ago, a guy living in VT, USA, had to travel to Boston to get a visa for Japan, and the hours at the place you had to go were not very accommodating.

PDilemma
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
There are visa requirements that are not always easy to meet in a couple days. I don't know what they are now, but 20 years ago, a guy living in VT, USA, had to travel to Boston to get a visa for Japan, and the hours at the place you had to go were not very accommodating.

The spot wouldn't necessarily be given to an American skater. As for visas, my friend's visa for Asia 14 years ago were handled via FedEx and did not require travel.

The alternates thread in GSD indicates Osmond would have first chance followed on the list by skaters who already got another spot (such as Nagasu) or can't take one now (Flatt) until it gets down to some Russian girls. Who would be dealing with different visa requirements.