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Coco
08-28-2012, 01:50 AM
What's nice about the 1 foot single loop is it allows her to do - effectively - 2 triple triples without repeating the toe as one of her two "repeating" triples. Repeating the lutz and flip, in the bonus time, no less, should boost her score. I can't remember her jump layout from last year, but I think she was repeating the 3toe.

chipso1
08-28-2012, 02:06 AM
What's nice about the 1 foot single loop is it allows her to do - effectively - 2 triple triples without repeating the toe as one of her two "repeating" triples. Repeating the lutz and flip, in the bonus time, no less, should boost her score. I can't remember her jump layout from last year, but I think she was repeating the 3toe.

Yes, last year Gracie was doing 3F+3T in the short, and 3Lz+3T & 2A+3T in the long.

Vagabond
08-28-2012, 02:20 AM
What details is Flatt divulging?

I wasn't thinking specifically of that article.

In the past, Flatt or someone on her behalf has revealed such things as her grades and the fact that her parents were selling their house. Why either of these things should be grist for the mill of public inquisitiveness escapes me. Beyond that, once you put things out about yourself on the Internet or other media, you can't really take them back, and you forfeit your privacy.

And, from my point of view, it doesn't matter that Flatt has earned good grades or that her parents are apparently comfortably well off. It just isn't something that I think a young person should be broadcasting to the world.

demetriosj
08-28-2012, 02:29 AM
[QUOTE=B.Cooper;3669336]What details is Flatt divulging? ........... It is just that the skaters who attend school, or work to cover their training costs, DO have more on their plates.

So true, it's so obvious, why can't people see that?

Marco
08-28-2012, 04:58 PM
I am guessing Gold can easily do the 2axel3toe if the 3/3 became a 3/2. And if the 3/1/3 became a 3/1/2, the next pass, a 2axel, can be turned into a 3sal.

Very glad Zhang is bringing back the 3sal. Despite what she said, it actually was one of her more reliable jumps during her dark years. Plus it means she will be doing 1 less 2axel. Would love her to bring back the 3toe too, even if it means she needs to swap out the 3lutz.

Triple Butz
08-28-2012, 06:09 PM
Going by her FS at Skate Detroit, Gracie's planned jumping passes are:

3Lz+3T
3F+3S SEQ
2A
3L
2A+2T*
3Lz*
3F*

ETA: :duh: Yes, the 1/2 loop counts as a "1L" and is her 3-jump combo.

Another bonus to this layout is that if Gracie is unable to do the 3toe after the first lutz, she has an opportunity to stick it onto one of her two 2a's. We know she can do 2a/3t with ease...I don't think she missed that combo even once last season.

peibeck
08-28-2012, 06:19 PM
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LilJen
08-28-2012, 06:23 PM
posted at Jeremy Abbott's FB page:
Alissa back on the ice! (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151065543651158&set=a.71600456157.78053.39005911157&type=1&theater)

Sylvia
08-28-2012, 06:26 PM
Abbott also tweeted the same off-ice pic of Alissa today: https://twitter.com/jeremyabbottpcf/status/240495417010315264/photo/1/large

Elladj Baldé tweeted these photos from DSC today: http://instagram.com/p/O4PWw9pcgh/

I don't believe this July 29th Alissa Czisny article has been posted here: http://www.goldenskate.com/2012/07/czisny-determined-despite-struggles-and-surgery/

feraina
08-28-2012, 08:45 PM
Very glad Zhang is bringing back the 3sal. Despite what she said, it actually was one of her more reliable jumps during her dark years. Plus it means she will be doing 1 less 2axel. Would love her to bring back the 3toe too, even if it means she needs to swap out the 3lutz.

Me, too. But I have a feeling she's not going to replace a 2A with it, but rather include a 3R-3R, two 2A's, and a 3S (plus two 3F's, and a 3Z). If she somehow missed the 3-3 and turned it into 3R-2R, I think she would replace the 3S with a 3R, and still keep the two 2A's. I doubt she'd ever bring back a solo 3T, she hasn't done that for six years now! Maybe it'll come back as 3F-3T next season, if her jump layout works out this season. It'd be great for her to peak technically for Sochi.

I hope she's doing some kind of core strengthening like yoga or pilates --worried about her back. :( Looking forward to her new spin positions though! Haven't seen any new spins from her for a few years now!

Vagabond
08-28-2012, 11:41 PM
weird headline

Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, II, vii, 65 :)

Mrs. P
08-29-2012, 05:56 AM
I did a quick calculation of Gracie's jump BV between last year and this year:

JUNIOR
3Z-3T 10.10
2A-3T 7.40
3L 5.10
3F* 5.83
2A-2T-2T* 6.71
3Z* 6.60
3S* 4.62
TOTAL: 46.36

SENIOR (WTT)

3Z-3T 10.10
2A-3T 7.40
3L 5.10
3F 5.3
2A-2T-2T* 6.71
3Z* 6.60
3S* 4.62
TOTAL: 45.83

THIS YEAR SENIOR
3Z-3T 10.10
3F-1L-3S 10.0
2A 3.3
3L 5.10
2A-2T* 5.17
3Z* 6.60
3F* 5.83
TOTAL: 46.10

Obviously, this year's layout is slightly less than last year's because fewer jumps are at the halfway point this year. But that is a reflection of the fact she's doing a senior-level program, which is 30 seconds longer. When you look at her planned layout at WTT, you can see that the 3F is no longer in the bonus portion.

So when you compare the layouts at the same level (senior) the BV is slightly higher this year than her WTT layout.

For some perspective, Ashley Wagner who had the highest BV in jumps in the FS at Worlds, had a jump BV of 44.81.

Of course, I expect the BV of all the ladies to be higher if everyone acts on their planned 3-3s.

Jarrett
08-30-2012, 12:10 AM
Anyone want to guess Mirai's layout?

Based off glacier I would think:

3Z/2T - 7.3
2A/3T - 7.4
3F - 5.3
<<2 Minute Mark>>
3Z - 6.6
3L - 5.61 (how are these rounded?)
2A - 3.63
3L/2T/2L - 9.02 (the three jump combo might actually be the first pass with the lutz?)

worldsnice12
08-30-2012, 06:35 AM
Anyone want to guess Mirai's layout?

Based off glacier I would think:

3Z/2T - 7.3
2A/3T - 7.4
3F - 5.3
<<2 Minute Mark>>
3Z - 6.6
3L - 5.61 (how are these rounded?)
2A - 3.63
3L/2T/2L - 9.02 (the three jump combo might actually be the first pass with the lutz?)

I guess there are not much hope she will try a 3Z/3T again?Has anyone seen her practice this combo lately?With Wagner,Gold and Agnes doing 3/3 in their SP, it seems like Mirai would need one too to stay in the top 3 in the US..

Anyway, I am over the moon that she went back to Austin for choreography and to Bebe for the footwork.Based on the programs I have seen so far (SP/LP/EX), she has a great package this year..Then again, she is always kind of a slow starter and I hope that she will be able to peak at Nationals.What a competition it will be :swoon:

skfan
09-01-2012, 12:32 AM
I guess there are not much hope she will try a 3Z/3T again?Has anyone seen her practice this combo lately?With Wagner,Gold and Agnes doing 3/3 in their SP, it seems like Mirai would need one too to stay in the top 3 in the US..

Anyway, I am over the moon that she went back to Austin for choreography and to Bebe for the footwork.Based on the programs I have seen so far (SP/LP/EX), she has a great package this year..Then again, she is always kind of a slow starter and I hope that she will be able to peak at Nationals.What a competition it will be :swoon:

it's early yet. i'm not sure i'd count those 3-3 eggs before they hatch. :lol:

maybe it's wishful thinking, but i think mirai is in a great position to make a run for the world team. i'm glad she's returned to austin for choreography. :)