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johndockley92
10-30-2012, 12:12 PM
Yeah kinda wish Gracie would use a different choreographer. Not a huge fan of Scott Brown's work.

Nomad
10-30-2012, 03:55 PM
I thought her programs as such are okay. God knows we've seen worse. coughMakarovacough.

pinky166
10-30-2012, 04:14 PM
Makarova's programs this season are actually nice. Last year's long, I agree, however, Sotnikova's FS this season probably wins the worst program award for right now though. Anyways I sort of agree about Gracie, her JUMPS are world class, when she lands them to the best of her ability, the rest of her skating is just okay for now, meaning when the jumps don't come off as planned, she's suddenly mediocre, not that exciting, and her status as the next savior of US ladies figure skating seems far from a sure thing. Hopefully she will be better at her next GP, but if not, that's nothing new, and at least Wagner seems to be holding steady for now.

orbitz
10-30-2012, 04:21 PM
Scott Brown's resume (http://ashleycain.us/team/choreographers/scott-brown-singles).

I think it would help Gracie tremendously if the 2nd half of her LP is re-choreographed and a different piece of music is used.

peibeck
10-30-2012, 04:26 PM
People forget how slow she sometimes is, and the programs aren't helping her. Choreography wise Gracie is way far-fetched from being one of the best in the world.


Slow? Really?!?!? :rofl: One thing that cannot be said about Gold is that she skates slowly.

Gracie reminds me a bit of Kostner coming out of juniors: she needs to learn to control that speed and her nerves. I concur she could use some better choreography, however I do think she has made a good deal of improvement in her stretch and artistry. I think the big question is: is making it to Sochi the end goal, or is she thinking beyond 2014?

reese
10-30-2012, 05:15 PM
The Life is Beautiful LP makes no sense. The music cuts are preposterous and the choreography is blah.

Scott Brown is a good choreographer for kids trying to make it out of Regionals, but he's not a top-level choreographer (yes, I know his resume boasts some big names, but I'm sure a lot of those are show programs or group numbers). I'm sure he desperately wants to hang on to Gracie and make it as a top-tier choreographer, but I hope her team chooses someone else for next year's programs. This is not a Michelle-Kwan-making-Lori-Nichol-famous situation. Brown isn't talented enough.

demetriosj
10-30-2012, 05:18 PM
The Life is Beautiful LP makes no sense. The music cuts are preposterous and the choreography is blah.

This is not a Michelle-Kwan-making-Lori-Nichol-famous situation. Brown isn't talented enough.

& vice-versa...

haribobo
10-30-2012, 06:43 PM
1000% agree, reese

Nomad
10-30-2012, 06:46 PM
I'm sure somebody knows the answer to this: Which Kwan program(s) did he choreograph?

love_skate2011
10-30-2012, 06:48 PM
I think we're a bit over dramatic on Gracie
and c'mon comparing Gracie to Zawadzki and Zhang ?

Gracie has bigger talent and much more potential than say Flatt, Zhang or Zawadzki

demetriosj
10-30-2012, 07:15 PM
I think we're a bit over dramatic on Gracie
and c'mon comparing Gracie to Zawadzki and Zhang ?

Gracie has bigger talent and much more potential than say Flatt, Zhang or Zawadzki

keep talking.............................

RD
10-30-2012, 07:38 PM
I think we're a bit over dramatic on Gracie
and c'mon comparing Gracie to Zawadzki and Zhang ?

Gracie has bigger talent and much more potential than say Flatt, Zhang or Zawadzki

But "potential" is just a theoretical concept. It is nothing concrete.

Just like you can't crown someone Olympic champ due to an outstanding debut, the opposite applies as well: you can't completely discount someone due to an underwhelming first competition.

kwanatic
10-30-2012, 08:10 PM
I think the main thing we can take from Skate Canada concerning Gracie is that she is new to the senior scene and no matter how anxious people are for her rocket to the top of the standings, she's clearly a work in progress. There are some juniors who come in as seniors, adjust well and are able to float to the top (Liza T and Adelina did it last year, Kanako the year before that). Others take time before they make it to the podium, so Gracie is doing okay so far. She needs time to learn how to compete at this level as well as time to grow as a skater and performer.

US skating is doing just fine thanks to Ashley and (surprisingly) Christina so far this season...so Gracie's got time. However, I do think that second spot on the world team is now up for grabs now...

reese
10-30-2012, 08:20 PM
US skating is doing just fine thanks to Ashley and (surprisingly) Christina so far this season...so Gracie's got time. However, I do think that second spot on the world team is now up for grabs now...

I don't think it matters what Gracie does this fall, if she puts together 2 strong programs at Nationals, the judges won't hesitate to give her the scores to get her that second World spot.

reese
10-30-2012, 08:33 PM
Flatt to skip rest of season w/ injury: http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=48610&type=media