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Coco
09-19-2012, 02:33 AM
According to the current rules,

The deduction for a "severe wrong edge take-off F/Lz (sign 'e')" is -2 to -3 and the final GOE must be in the minuses.

The deduction for an "unclear edge take-off F/Lz (sign 'e')" is -2 to -3 and the final GOE is not restricted.

No more ! symbol for unclear edges.

So if the tech panel calls marks the "e" on a flip or lutz, the judges don't know whether the tech panel considered the takeoff edge severely wrong or just unclear. They each need to use their own judgment.

I.e., if a judge saw or suspected the wrong edge in real time before the tech panel review and already took the minus, she would probably keep it or lower it.

If the judge thought the jump was great in real time and didn't notice any edge problem, she might start with a positive GOE and then subtract 1 after seeing the e call.



Thank you, I remember this now. I blocked it from memory because I thought it such a horrible idea, especially with the .7 difference in base value between 3f and 3z.

gkelly
09-19-2012, 04:47 AM
Also gkelly, according to ISU Communication 1724, the deduction for a unclear edge is -1 or -2 not -2 or -3 as you noted.

Yes, sorry, I knew that but I didn't post it correctly.


We don't really know if the tech caller called it an unclear edge or a severe edge.

Exactly. The way the "e" call works now, basically the tech panel is telling the judges "Think carefully about what you saw on that takeoff edge and how you want to score it. We checked the replay, and it did not look clearly correct to us."

used2skate
09-19-2012, 05:41 PM
Did anyone see Rachel this weekend? I heard she scored around 103 which is pretty good for an early season event.

falling_dance
09-19-2012, 08:20 PM
Did anyone see Rachel this weekend? I heard she scored around 103 which is pretty good for an early season event.

Unfortunately, that's 103.93 over both phases of competition.

short program (http://www.stmoritzisc.org/SkStm12/IJScompanion_html/SEG014.html) (40.26; one deduction)

and

free skate (http://www.stmoritzisc.org/SkStm12/IJScompanion_html/SEG015.html) (63.67; one deduction)

MikiAndoFan#1
09-19-2012, 08:26 PM
Unfortunately, that's 103.93 over both phases of competition.

short program (http://www.stmoritzisc.org/SkStm12/IJScompanion_html/SEG014.html) (40.26; one deduction)

and

free skate (http://www.stmoritzisc.org/SkStm12/IJScompanion_html/SEG015.html) (63.67; one deduction)

:(

sk8indel
09-19-2012, 09:09 PM
Here's the fs protocol
http://www.stmoritzisc.org/SkStm12/IJScompanion_html/SEGM015.html

Rachel was beaten by a kid without a 2A...

dawnie
09-19-2012, 09:12 PM
Here's the fs protocol
http://www.stmoritzisc.org/SkStm12/IJScompanion_html/SEGM015.html

Rachel was beaten by a kid without a 2A...

Oh dear. To think she once placed 5th at Worlds... :scream:

Jarrett
09-19-2012, 09:49 PM
Uh no place to go but up this season for Rach. And why does she have an assignment at SA again?

mag
09-19-2012, 09:56 PM
Surely that assignment will be reviewed in light of this result?

toddlj
09-19-2012, 10:08 PM
Uh no place to go but up this season for Rach. And why does she have an assignment at SA again?

Oh my. All doubles except one 3F with negative GOE? And only one 2A which she fell on? Oh my. Skate America is less than a month away.

I don't suppose Mirai is ready?

Jarrett
09-19-2012, 10:40 PM
Oh my. All doubles except one 3F with negative GOE? And only one 2A which she fell on? Oh my. Skate America is less than a month away.

I don't suppose Mirai is ready?

I'm sure Mirai is ready since she has a international competition eariler in the month; however, do we really think Rachael will be giving up that assignment even if she has no business being there. Nope. :blah::2faced:

sk9tingfan
09-19-2012, 10:47 PM
I thought Gracie Gold's spins looked improved at the Salt Lake City Senior B.

ITA. I also thought that overall, the quality of her skating has improved and was far more musical and animated.

demetriosj
09-19-2012, 11:48 PM
Here's the fs protocol
http://www.stmoritzisc.org/SkStm12/IJScompanion_html/SEGM015.html

Rachel was beaten by a kid without a 2A...

she's got to be injured.

icellist
09-20-2012, 12:02 AM
Who's the first lady substitute for SA? Perhaps Mirai may get her second GP or Joelle Forte again (doubtfully since she's not in the ISP - but should be after her pretty good summer competition results).

All the senior ladies have 2 assignments already except for Rachael Flatt (attending) and Alissa Czisny (recovering). Or a junior girl can get their senior debut like Yasmin Siraj or Vanessa Lam (Cesario is definitely getting a second assignment before Lam will, and Lam's done a complete junior season already). But I'm not really thinking the junior to senior idea very seriously.

dawnie
09-20-2012, 12:05 AM
I'm sure Mirai is ready since she has a international competition eariler in the month; however, do we really think Rachael will be giving up that assignment even if she has no business being there. Nope. :blah::2faced:

Hope Rachael has learned from Worlds last year and withdraws if she is unprepared or injured. I will be :mad: if she shows up like this and places dead last.