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HeatherC
03-19-2013, 03:34 AM
I'm still waiting for the episode where Emma finally ends up in a corner curled up in a fetal position going, "It's too much! It's TOO MUCH!!" after all that she's been through because I honestly have no idea how she hasn't lost her mind yet, LOL :rofl: :yikes: :scream: :eek: :lol:

My recording messed up last night so I still haven't seen the first twenty or so minutes of the episode. I'll have to catch it online which I was going to do tonight until we discovered that a window had broken in our basement and the room was a DISASTER from the rain and wind last night. We spent over three hours cleaning up glass, debris, craft stuff (my mom is a big time stamping person and has a ton of stuff), papers, ink (ugh, my hands are still multicolored!), and she's currently using a wet vac to try to get the water cleaned up. It's a mess! So yeah, I haven't gotten around to watching OUAT yet but darn it, I will be watching tomorrow night so long as we finally get the basement back in working order! :eek:

AshleyN
03-19-2013, 03:34 AM
Maybe I'm just in a grumpy mood or something, but I kind of hated this week's episode. I felt like it more or less shined a giant spotlight on all of my biggest problems with the show.

First of all, am I supposed to feel even the tiniest bit of sympathy for Regina at this point? Because I honestly don't see why I should - she's a psychopath without a shred of a conscience or even a single redeeming quality. Even her so called "love" for Henry (which I think I'm supposed to see as some sort of evidence of "goodness" in her) is motivated entirely by her own selfish desires - it's all about what he can do for her, and not at all about what she can or should do for him. Not to mention that her idea of "redemption" amounted to a couple of days of not killing/torturing/raping* people, and when that didn't immediately result in people groveling before her she decided it wasn't worth it and quit. I mean, if they just want her to be the gloriously over-the-top Evil Queen that's great, that's how I like her best. But I get the sense that I'm supposed to be thinking that there's more to her than that, and it's just not happening.

And on that note, I'm getting increasingly grossed out by the show trying to create some sort of moral equivalency between Cora/Regina and the Charmings, specifically Snow. Because seriously, wanting to take out one of the mass-murdering psychopaths who have made no attempt to hide their intentions of killing you and your entire family does not make you just like them. Killing Cora was the smartest thing Snow's ever done. Hell, I thought the most morally dubious thing she did in that episode was save Rumple's life, given that he actually is as bad as them, just less of an immediate threat to her personally at the moment. And in related news, I just want to say how much I agree with this:
I think I've figured out what's going on. Regina is like the kid who pokes and teases and hits the other kid and then cries when they finally get walloped back. Should Snow have "hit" back? I don't know. But Snow has never DONE anything to Regina or her family without an INSANE amount of provocation.

Finally, I swear I'm not a Henry-hater overall (I actually have a far greater tolerance for him than most people I've seen commenting on the show) but he was at his absolute most insufferable this week. Guess what kid? You're ELEVEN - there are some things that you don't need to know and that you don't get to be a part of. To be fair, I don't know if I was more annoyed with Henry or Emma on this issue, because she desperately needs to learn that part of being a parent involves setting boundaries, not letting yourself get bossed around, and not letting your kid get away with being a snotty little shit.


*Speaking of which, this episode also featured a nice reminder of the fact that she spent literally DECADES raping Graham.

HeatherC
03-19-2013, 03:44 AM
Maybe I'm just in a grumpy mood or something, but I kind of hated this week's episode. I felt like it more or less shined a giant spotlight on all of my biggest problems with the show.

First of all, am I supposed to feel even the tiniest bit of sympathy for Regina at this point? Because I honestly don't see why I should - she's a psychopath without a shred of a conscience or even a single redeeming quality. Even her so called "love" for Henry (which I think I'm supposed to see as some sort of evidence of "goodness" in her) is motivated entirely by her own selfish desires - it's all about what he can do for her, and not at all about what she can or should do for him. Not to mention that her idea of "redemption" amounted to a couple of days of not killing/torturing/raping* people, and when that didn't immediately result in people groveling before her she decided it wasn't worth it and quit. I mean, if they just want her to be the gloriously over-the-top Evil Queen that's great - that's how I like her best. But I get the sense that I'm supposed to be thinking that there's more to her than that, and it's just not happening.

And on that note, I'm getting increasingly grossed out by the show trying to create some sort of moral equivalency between Cora/Regina and the Charmings, specifically Snow. Because seriously, wanting to take out one of the mass-murdering psychopaths who have made no attempt to hide their intentions of killing you and your entire family does not make you just like them. Killing Cora was the smartest thing Snow's ever done. Hell, I thought the most morally dubious thing she did in that episode was save Rumple's life, given that he actually is as bad as them, just less of an immediate threat to her personally at the moment. And in related news, I just want to say how much I agree with this:

Finally, I swear I'm not a Henry-hater overall (I actually have a far greater tolerance for him than most people I've seen commenting on the show) but he was at his absolute most insufferable this week. Guess what kid? You're ELEVEN - there are some things that you don't need to know and that you don't get to be a part of. To be fair, I don't know if I was more annoyed with Henry or Emma on this issue, because she desperately needs to learn that part of being a parent involves setting boundaries, not letting yourself get bossed around, and not letting your kid get away with being a snotty little shit.

*Speaking of which, this episode also featured a nice reminder of the fact that she spent literally DECADES raping Graham.

Definitely agree about the Regina stuff and I also agree that she's much better when she's just the evil queen rather than trying that whole redemption thing (which could have worked but Cora kind of screwed that up).

I have a pretty high tolerance of Henry too (I also agree that we may be in the minority there, LOL) but in defense of Emma, she grew up without parents and her foster system experience was obviously less than ideal too, so I can understand her still trying to figure out this whole parenting thing. In a lot of ways, Emma has hidden her emotions and internal pain for so long that she's still that scared little girl who grew up alone and still has to really deal with her abandonment issues which is not a good combination in trying to parent a child. I think she's doing the best she can and with everything that's happened, her head is probably overwhelmed with just a TON of information right now. IMO, Henry has been acting bratty towards her since Manhattan when he discovered her lie about his father (which she admitted and apologized for unlike Regina who just sent Henry to therapy and made him feel like he was crazy) and I'm ready for him to finally forgive her for that and to stop being so obstinate and stubborn (at least for a little while....give your mom a break kid!). :(

Spareoom
03-19-2013, 04:16 AM
Yeah, Emma's not the most stellar parent but she has NO experience or any good examples to go by. And it's not like she can get advice from her mom because Snow never raised a child either. Ironically enough, the only person out of the group who is actually equipped to deal with Henry is Regina. Although, she HAS the parenting skills, she just badly misuses them.

One question I had is, we never have figured out where Henry got the fairytale book, did we? I mean, as in who wrote it and how it got to him. I doubt it was Regina's.

manhn
03-19-2013, 04:18 AM
Did Graham always have an accent? Anyways, he's hotter than ever.

I liked the episode even though no one was all that sympathetic. Yeah, yeah, murder is bad but I don't know why Snow felt that badly. What about all unnamed guards and soldiers who were working for Regina? None of those men who Snow beat were actually killed? They were just unconscious?

Snow gave the book to Henry in class. Not sure how Snow originally got it or who wrote it.

Norlite
03-19-2013, 04:18 AM
Mary Margaret gave it to him. But we were never told where or how she got it.

walei
03-19-2013, 08:09 AM
That kid's voice sounded exactly like Henry really threw me off. The whole time I was thinking this is how Henry entered Storybrook...

Wyliefan
03-19-2013, 01:10 PM
Maybe I'm just in a grumpy mood or something, but I kind of hated this week's episode. I felt like it more or less shined a giant spotlight on all of my biggest problems with the show.

First of all, am I supposed to feel even the tiniest bit of sympathy for Regina at this point? Because I honestly don't see why I should - she's a psychopath without a shred of a conscience or even a single redeeming quality. Even her so called "love" for Henry (which I think I'm supposed to see as some sort of evidence of "goodness" in her) is motivated entirely by her own selfish desires - it's all about what he can do for her, and not at all about what she can or should do for him.

I see your point, but I thought this episode actually brought out just how bad and selfish Regina really is. Trying to kidnap a kid, and then taking his father away from him -- I don't know how anyone could feel much sympathy for her while watching that. It was also interesting the way they showed just how petty she can really be. A grown woman throwing a tantrum because a little boy sat on her favorite stool at a diner? Really? The thing I liked most about the episode is that it showed just how small-souled and mean she truly is.

Spareoom
03-19-2013, 06:13 PM
Yeah, I don't think we were meant to feel sorry for Regina in the last episode. The whole episode was highlighting how pathetic she really is. How her curse backfired, how petty she was and what she did to Owen and his father. And her childish and misguided belief that she really can have everything? Not even Rumple thinks that!

Kruss
03-20-2013, 05:18 PM
That kid's voice sounded exactly like Henry really threw me off. The whole time I was thinking this is how Henry entered Storybrook...

Me, too! That's why the end surprised me as to who the kid really is.

HeatherC
03-25-2013, 12:04 AM
Bump!! SO EXCITED about tonight's episode! :biggrinbo

Wyliefan
03-25-2013, 12:25 AM
So sad for August. :wuzrobbed

That "blackened sole" line . . . oh, Regina. :rofl:

This woman is the new Rumpelstiltskin -- she's everywhere!

HeatherC
03-25-2013, 01:42 AM
Yeah, definitely riding on the hating Tamara train and now I have VERY valid reasons to dislike her....she's a liar, a cheater, a manipulator, a murderer, has an ulterior motive for finding magic (which sounds like it could be very bad), and now I really believe that she's from FT Land and has an ax to grind with someone. :mad:

I felt so bad for August tonight and even though I still think he did wrong by Emma, he did realize his errors and was facing the bad consequences of his actions. He didn't deserve to be tazered by the madwoman with an agenda. Him being saved by the Blue Fairy was good in that he didn't die but it was still sad to me because you could tell how much he wanted to tell Emma about the madwoman's plan. He was trying to do the right thing. Poor guy. :( I'm glad he gets a second chance now and that by seeing how his story went, MM is finally realizing that she might be able to have a second chance to change from her darker path too. Their scenes together were great and a little sad too.

Loved Emma telling David to stop babying MM and that she needed to stop feeling bad for herself, start letting go of things she can't change, and start focusing on moving past it. Tough love from the tough daughter, LOL :respec:

Most AWKWARD meal EVER with Emma, Henry, Tamara, and Neal, LMAO :rofl:

I really loved the scene with Emma & Henry in their apartment. Emma's apology was definitely heartfelt and her asking Henry to stop pushing her away made me a little sad. She's fought tooth and nail for that kid since she stepped foot in Storybrooke and you could tell in this scene how much him pushing her away hurt her. I'm glad Henry accepted her apology and it looked like he was pretty emotional too. I'm glad the two of them seem to be past this now. They're my favorite relationship on this show. :)

More later....

manhn
03-25-2013, 03:45 AM
I can't believe August is gone (I don't care about the child version)! Why does the show want to take out all the hot guys!!!

ETA: I like Tamara, more so than, say, Bael. I hope Tamara and Owen can wreck some havoc!

Kruss
03-25-2013, 06:07 PM
I thought the same thing when the Blue Fairy was able to help August. "Yay!! Oh...it's the little boy. Damn, no more hot guy to drool over..."