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walei
03-11-2013, 02:08 PM
^ I agree. Cora killed Snow's mother Ava (who is actually a jerk when she's young!! wow!!) and just last week killed her loyal servant. Snow has every right consider going the extreme to protect her love ones.

I also think it would be interesting if Regina is Rumple's daughter. Which would make Regina Henry's Aunt, Emma's sister in law, which I find HILARIOUS! Finally, anyone else love the main title screen? They put different elements of the story and graphically blend them into the enchanted forest background and it's different every week which I find it really neat. I look forward to see it every episode!

professordeb
03-11-2013, 02:53 PM
I'm not sure about Regina being Rumple's daughter. At first, it seemed like we were to believe it would happen, especially when they revised the agreement between Cora & Rumple so that rather than Rumple getting Cora's firstborn, it would be THEIR firstborn. Then when young Cora shows up, now without her heart, she reminds Rumple that the agreement had been changed to a firstborn of theirs and then informed him that such a thing wouldn't be happening since she was marrying the prince after all. I supposed one could *hope* that maybe she was impregnated by Rumple regardless. It does make for some interesting thinking.

Snow -- ohhhh how I felt bad for her at the end when she is showing remorse for what she did. Apparently she didn't realize just how bad her "good" heart would feel when she chose to do evil. Makes me wonder what they will have in store for her next.

Emma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I loved watching her hold the "invisible" piece of chalk and then draw lines with it. Gave me a couple chuckles. I missed what was said to her about missing a spot -- silly dog barked at that moment.

Ohhhh, when this show goes off for the summer, I will be missing it badly.

Artemis@BC
03-11-2013, 03:48 PM
Caught up with "The Queens Is Dead" right before "The Miller's Daughter" last night, so it was one great episode followed by another for me. So much good stuff, I hardly know where to begin. Suffice it to say this show has not disappointed me once.

I don't know why reading the title of next week's episode, "Welcome to Storybrooke," gives me such chills, though. :eek: I think I'll have to record the Worlds gala so I can watch -- and there aren't many shows that trump skating!


Bailee Madison's performance gutted me. Wow, she was great - I cried right along with her.

She was so great that I was able to easily ignore the fact that she's so obviously older now than when she did her key episodes last year. I mean, she's a great actor on her own, but then to be able to replicate Ginnifer Goodwin's/Mary Margaret's facial expressions and mannerisms so perfectly on top of that ... wow.

Looking forward to watching the Paleyfest panel over lunch -- thanks for the link.

Allskate
03-12-2013, 01:15 AM
I'm not sure about Regina being Rumple's daughter. At first, it seemed like we were to believe it would happen, especially when they revised the agreement between Cora & Rumple so that rather than Rumple getting Cora's firstborn, it would be THEIR firstborn.

I don't think they changed the agreement to ""THEIR firstborn." Rather, I think they changed it to HIS firstborn. I suspect this will come into play with Neal at some point.

manhn
03-12-2013, 01:32 AM
I thought Rose McGowan was *fantastic*. I hope we see more of her.

I don't have much sympathy for Regina, who's been really stoopid almost this entire season. At the same time, if I were a Regina uber (which I am not, although I like her), I'd be pissed that Regina gets treated "poorly" but Rumple gets to have pretty much everyone forgive him when he's been the instigator for everything.

I was all for Snow killing Cora, but Snow should've used the dark spell to save someone she really cared for. Surely, Charming or Henry or Emma would be in mortal danger--she could've sacrificed Cora *then*.

Wyliefan
03-12-2013, 02:05 AM
Snow's mother Ava (who is actually a jerk when she's young!! wow!!)

Don't tell me you're surprised! They seem to have decided that we need reminding that even good characters have flaws, so they've been parading those flaws around quite prominently of late. "Look! Flaws! GREAT BIG GLARING FLAWS!"

Subtlety is not this show's strong point.

centerstage01
03-12-2013, 03:00 AM
I was all for Snow killing Cora, but Snow should've used the dark spell to save someone she really cared for. Surely, Charming or Henry or Emma would be in mortal danger--she could've sacrificed Cora *then*.

Can she only use that candle the one time, then? I don't remember Gold or Cora (as the Blue Fairy) saying anything like that but it's also possible I got distracted and didn't hear that part. The candle itself looked big enough to handle lots more life and death switches.

Also, Rose McGowan needs to lay off the plastic surgery. I don't know what possessed her to get it in the first place as she didn't need it, but her mouth is stretched out too far. She's going to look like Joan Rivers if she isn't careful. All that aside, casting her as the young Cora was excellent. I don't know who the people are who cast this show, but they should be raking in awards.

HeatherC
03-12-2013, 03:34 AM
Can she only use that candle the one time, then? I don't remember Gold or Cora (as the Blue Fairy) saying anything like that but it's also possible I got distracted and didn't hear that part. The candle itself looked big enough to handle lots more life and death switches.

Also, Rose McGowan needs to lay off the plastic surgery. I don't know what possessed her to get it in the first place as she didn't need it, but her mouth is stretched out too far. She's going to look like Joan Rivers if she isn't careful. All that aside, casting her as the young Cora was excellent. I don't know who the people are who cast this show, but they should be raking in awards.

Not sure about the candle thing (I don't think it was clarified on the show) but I did read something last night that talked about how Rose was in a bad accident several years ago and had to have plastic surgery to fix a lot of damage done to her face. I don't know if all the surgery is something she would have done otherwise (I don't know much about her) but she actually has a legitimate reason for why she looks quite different.

centerstage01
03-12-2013, 03:46 AM
Shame about the accident, then. I wondered why someone as young as she is would go in for it, but if it was medically necessary then I can see why. I wonder when this all took place? I don't remember hearing any stories about her getting hurt.

Spareoom
03-12-2013, 05:12 AM
One thought about Rumple and the firstborn contract is that he ALREADY has a firstborn; Bae. Who was already grown by that point. So is his contract going to be retroactive or is it going to drift down to his next of kin, which would be Henry? Or does he have another child. Or maybe he plans to get another child? It would explain his obsession with Cinderella's firstborn, although he gave up on that when Emma proved more useful to him.

kwanatic
03-12-2013, 06:34 PM
I really loved this week's episode. I thought Rose McGowan did a great job as Cora but sheesh!, what has she done to her face?! I loved her in Charmed and she was so gorgeous back then...but whatever she's done to her nose/mouth has ruined her appearance. That said, I thought she played young Cora very well.

It's crazy how much Regina must hate Snow at this point! :lol: It seems like Snow is the reason Regina can't have love. Regina blames Snow for Daniel's death (it is Daniel, right?) and now she can blame Snow her mother's death...which sucks b/c as soon as her mother was able to actually love her she died.

It feels like Regina is about to cross that point of no return. I don't think she'll care about being perceived as the bad person now. DOUBLE REVENGE!! is the only thing on Regina's mind from here on out but the question is how far will she go and who will she hurt to get back at Snow? David? Emma? Would she go as far as to sacrifice Henry? It wouldn't be the first time she killed the thing she loved the most to get back at Snow...

Skittl1321
03-12-2013, 06:51 PM
but sheesh!, what has she done to her face?!

This was my first thought too. Then I found out she was apparently in a pretty horrific accident which required quite a bit of reconstructive surgery. And then it sounds like she got a little addicted and did more than she needed to. So at least some of it can be excused.

Spareoom
03-12-2013, 09:43 PM
I think I've figured out what's going on. Regina is like the kid who pokes and teases and hits the other kid and then cries when they finally get walloped back. Should Snow have "hit" back? I don't know. But Snow has never DONE anything to Regina or her family without an INSANE amount of provocation.

Regina has come to expect very little consequences for her actions from the Charming family because she knows they play by a different set of rules than she does. She should have been prepared for collateral damage for the war that she instigated, but didn't. Because it IS a war, and both sides have to accept that there are going to be losses. But Regina doesn't seem to see it that way.

She will, in time, I think. But while I realize that losing her mother is a hard blow, she needs to realize she has NO moral high ground to stand on when it comes to Snow. Sure, Snow killed her mother...but Regina killed Snow's father, mother (by association), her oldest friend, one of her loyal subjects and many, many more.

Artemis@BC
03-12-2013, 10:47 PM
She will, in time, I think. But while I realize that losing her mother is a hard blow, she needs to realize she has NO moral high ground to stand on when it comes to Snow. Sure, Snow killed her mother...but Regina killed Snow's father, mother (by association), her oldest friend, one of her loyal subjects and many, many more.

Not to mention the fact that Snow killing Cora was in actual self-defence: Cora was gearing up to kill Snow, David, Emma, Gold, and anyone else who got in her way. Pretty much the only circumstances under which Snow/MM would kill.

Regina has killed multiple times for spite and vengance. No contest.

Wyliefan
03-13-2013, 02:32 AM
I think I've figured out what's going on. Regina is like the kid who pokes and teases and hits the other kid and then cries when they finally get walloped back.

That's very well put.