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Vash01
09-11-2012, 08:27 AM
Nothing beats the early 90s (especiallyin ice dance!) for both :inavoid: skating and backstage drama.

Does anyone know why M&D, or G&G for that matter, didn't compete at the 1994 World Championships?

I don't claim to know anything, but I think they just wanted one more Olympics. Worlds were too soon after the Olympics and they had no interest in competing in worlds......this is purely a guess on my part. Many Olympic medal winners skip worlds, so I did not feel it was unusual, but it would have been nice to see them competing at worlds too.

Belinda
09-11-2012, 10:55 AM
Does anyone know who choreographed M&D's programs? Is it Moskvina?

lulu
09-11-2012, 12:16 PM
Does anyone know who choreographed M&D's programs? Is it Moskvina?

I believe Tamara Moskvina and Alexandr Matveev (sp?) were M&D's primary choreographers. From what I've read, Artur also had a lot of influence on their choreography, particularly with creating their innovative lifts and other moves and with the Rachmaninoff program. It was his idea to skate to Rachmaninoff in 1994 as well. :) Moskvina wanted them to skate to "Swan Lake" but Dmitriev didn't feel that "Swan Lake" would suit their style, especially when going head-to-head against Gordeeva & Grinkov. He skated his version of Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto, and convinced Moskvina that the program would work. Rachmaninoff was a great vehicle for showing off M&D's strengths, and of course in a few years, Moskvina would get another pair team, B&S, who would be tailor made to skate to "Swan Lake." :)

lao1234
09-11-2012, 02:41 PM
Does anyone know why M&D, or G&G for that matter, didn't compete at the 1994 World Championships?

I believe the Russian Fed indicated that only one reinstated team, the pair who had finished highest at the Olympics, would also compete at Worlds along with Shishkova & Naumov and Eltsove/Bushkov, who had been 4th at Nationals. G&G decided not to go to Worlds and the option wasn't available to M&D. Or at least that's my memory from 1994. Yikes - that's long time ago...

lulu
09-11-2012, 03:32 PM
I believe the Russian Fed indicated that only one reinstated team, the pair who had finished highest at the Olympics, would also compete at Worlds along with Shishkova & Naumov and Eltsove/Bushkov, who had been 4th at Nationals. G&G decided not to go to Worlds and the option wasn't available to M&D. Or at least that's my memory from 1994. Yikes - that's long time ago...

Thank you, that's very interesting. I'm surprised the option wasn't available to M&D, I'm wondering if they were injured and/or not interested in competing at Worlds? Because, if I'm the Russian Skating Federation (and who knows, maybe I am, :EVILLE:), if the Olympic Gold Medalists won't be skating at worlds, I'm going to want my Olympic Silver Medalists to be skate in their place. I can't imagine the RSF not offering M&D an opportunity to skate at Worlds after G&G declined, especially when, barring a major meltdown, they'd be heavily favored for the title. Of course, S&N would win the title, and E&B the brozne, so in the end, at least from the Federation's standpoint, everything turned out pretty good.

lulu
09-11-2012, 06:12 PM
Another question for the skating historians out there, does anyone know the music M&D skated to for their 1987-1988 LP? That was the year they placed 4th at Euros.
I've seen their 1987-1988 SP, but I've never seen the LP for that season. :)

orbitz
09-11-2012, 06:49 PM
Not to mention you never knew what kind of program Denise Biellmann would come up with.

Actually you kind of do. Usually techno music. Unitard of some sort. Xovers, 2a, Xovers, 3t, Xovers, 3s, more Xovers. End program with Biellman spin then into headless scratch.

When I watch her programs now, it seems like she spent 90% of the choreography doing back cw xovers

Vash01
09-11-2012, 07:26 PM
Another question for the skating historians out there, does anyone know the music M&D skated to for their 1987-1988 LP? That was the year they placed 4th at Euros.
I've seen their 1987-1988 SP, but I've never seen the LP for that season. :)

The first time I saw them was at 1988 SA, so I have never seen their SP & LP from the previous year. I hope to find those some day on YT. Their exhibitions at SA were really interesting- one was a techno music, the other was Rachmaninoff's Rhapsody on the theme by Paganini. They were so creative and so different from any other pair I had seen that I fell in love with them immediately, and it grew from there.

Minou
09-12-2012, 12:33 AM
The first time I saw them was at 1988 SA, so I have never seen their SP & LP from the previous year. I hope to find those some day on YT. Their exhibitions at SA were really interesting- one was a techno music, the other was Rachmaninoff's Rhapsody on the theme by Paganini. They were so creative and so different from any other pair I had seen that I fell in love with them immediately, and it grew from there.

those early sps seem to be lost, sadly. The 1987 or 88 had a clown theme:

Here are some cute, staged pics with Selezneyva and Makarov
http://tinyurl.com/9fludna
http://tinyurl.com/9blo969
http://tinyurl.com/9ewwe8c.

Also, I've heard references to a CanCan SP at the 1991 Euros that was scratched for a return to the dying Swan.

Braulio
09-12-2012, 01:04 AM
Their 1994 Rachmaninoff LP is one if not my favourite pairs performance of all time

Proustable
09-12-2012, 01:50 AM
A "what if" for you guys..

If M/D won in Lillehammer, do you think he would've continued onto Nagano?

orbitz
09-12-2012, 02:33 AM
A "what if" for you guys..

If M/D won in Lillehammer, do you think he would've continued onto Nagano?

Yes. I don't think Artur competed at Nagano, because he was disappointed with the silver at Lilehammer. Artur just enjoyed competing during that part of his life. B&S were the IT pair heading into Nagano; It was a fluke that they faltered on their last lift and that enabled D&K to skate to the gold.

leafygreens
09-12-2012, 02:35 AM
Actually you kind of do. Usually techno music. Unitard of some sort. Xovers, 2a, Xovers, 3t, Xovers, 3s, more Xovers. End program with Biellman spin then into headless scratch.

When I watch her programs now, it seems like she spent 90% of the choreography doing back cw xovers

:lol::lol::lol:

lulu
09-12-2012, 10:22 AM
The first time I saw them was at 1988 SA, so I have never seen their SP & LP from the previous year. I hope to find those some day on YT. Their exhibitions at SA were really interesting- one was a techno music, the other was Rachmaninoff's Rhapsody on the theme by Paganini. They were so creative and so different from any other pair I had seen that I fell in love with them immediately, and it grew from there.

It's so fun to watch their earlier routines in particular, when their flexibility was completely new and such a contrast to the other pairs. As part of the 1992 Olympic exhibition, they do a variation on a headbanger, where she's doing a vertical split at the same time. :eek:
Part of what made this team work, IMHO, was that their unique moves weren't just isolated tricks, but were well integrated into their choreography and programs. Not too mention, they had good skating skills to provide a solid support for their unique moves. I sometimes feel that as amazing as Natalia's flexibility was, when discussing M&D, it sometimes overshadows the fact that they were (IMO) also great pairs skaters as well.

Another question :rolleyes: Does anyone know why they turned professional right after winning the OGM in 1992? Obviously it is not unprecedented, but the last OGM, G&G, stayed in eligible competition for 2 more seasons, and V&V for an entire Olympic cycle after winning in Sarajevo.

lulu
09-12-2012, 12:45 PM
Does anyone know who choreographed M&D's programs? Is it Moskvina?

According to a poster on youtube, their 2nd Piano Concerto program was developed by Moskvina & Dmitriev, with input by Mishkutenok, the lead choreographer from the Kirov ballet (I'm not sure if this is a reference to Matveev or someone else) and Dmitriev's then wife, Tatiana Druchinina.

It would have been interesting to see what kind of programs M&D would have been able to come up for themselves in they stayed together after 1994. :)