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LuckyCharm
08-01-2012, 03:48 AM
I'm sure I'll get slammed for not providing video proof of this, which I can't provide, but I actually did see this during a fluff piece on a US skating broadcast in mid-1990's (I'm guessing it was between 1992 and 1994 Olympics), and have always remembered it. In this fluff piece, M&D were being interviewed and Natalia literally broke down in tears when they were talking about no longer skating together, and the theme of the interview was that she was in love with Artur and thought they would be married, when he did not feel the same about her. I also remember it was said that Artur and their coaches had to hide the fact that his girlfriend was going to have a baby from Natalia so that she would not be distracted from competing.

Like I said, I can't provide a link, cause lawdy knows what event I saw it on with the dozens of skating shows we got (blessed) with in the 1990's, but I did see this on US television, I'm guessing CBS.

In the 94 Olympics fluff, it was presented as Artur having been a "big brother" figure to her and that was why she had such a hard time with the fact that he was basically growing up and getting a life. IIRC, she did break down and cry in that one, so it may have been the same one you described. However, the commentator didn't say anything to suggest that there was any romantic feeling between them, although it seemed obvious that there was, at least on Natalia's part. I mean, a grown woman just doesn't break down and cry on TV over losing her "brother figure" to his new wife. On the other hand, if she'd spent her whole life in the rink with no sense of herself outside of skating and no clue what she was going to do after it was over, I guess she could get that upset about the fact that the closest person to her moving on and leaving her behind, so who knows. I remember in the Goodwill Games exhibition (their last competition together, I think) they skated to "Somewhere In Your Heart" and I wasn't sure if it was a coincidence or a deliberate message. I was so ridiculously obsessed with this pair at the time.

Re: The weight thing, she'd apparently gained a lot of weight after Albertville. She'd lost most of it by the time they returned to competition in 94. I do remember them being disappointed with their pro career during that period, but post 94 was a different ballgame. I can't imagine them not at least making a comfortable living if they'd stuck around.

Aussie Willy
08-01-2012, 03:51 AM
Found this on Wikipedia about Natalia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Mishkutenok

Although if you want some more gossip there is this:

http://www.figureskatingmystery.com/2007/05/where-are-they-now-arthur-dmitriev.html

canbelto
08-01-2012, 03:22 PM
Whatever it is, I freaking loved them. Omg.:( Still one of the most inventive, charismatic pairs of all time. And I loved the death glares Natasha gave Artur when he made a mistake. They were awesome.:lol:

Minou
08-01-2012, 06:04 PM
Natalia was dating Alexei Urmanov in 1992 --it was a long-term relationship -- when Artur told her he was going to be a father and get married. Natalia and Alexei were a super cute couple.

Their romance is highlighted here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckFYpyXOmzs
Aleksei Urmanov (EUN) - 1992 Albertville, Men's Free Skate

I think a lot of the "jilted Natasha" press was spin, especially leading up to the 1998 JO. I also think M&D may have had a teenage romance that passed...

And the swan comment? Natalia was a beautiful Swan la Saint-Saens. Being a fan, I also think Natalia's superior line, edges, and much more are overlooked due to repeated discussions about her weight and flexibility.

They're my all time favs.

DaiKozOda
08-01-2012, 07:05 PM
So Urmanov dated Marina Anissina and also Natalia M... The guy has some good taste :)

leafygreens
08-02-2012, 02:51 AM
I remember seeing a fluff piece where Natalia talked about how she "lost some kilos... about 4 kilos." I believe this was during 1994 Olys.

Jemestone
08-02-2012, 04:24 AM
^ Yes, this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJaEj9wDJNA&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLu3Ge9wwOv1da8MnANXBHFw). She didn't cry in it but they showed a clip where she broke down while sitting next to Dmitriev. She talks about losing weight and cutting her hair.

SkateBlades17
08-02-2012, 06:46 AM
Thanks everyone for the info. Wow I got more than I thought I would asking this, I never knew about the one-sided romance stuff, etc. Regardless, they were beautiful skating together anbd it's too bad they couldn't have stayed together as a pair.

Aussie Willy
08-02-2012, 01:51 PM
^ Yes, this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJaEj9wDJNA&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLu3Ge9wwOv1da8MnANXBHFw). She didn't cry in it but they showed a clip where she broke down while sitting next to Dmitriev. She talks about losing weight and cutting her hair.
:eek::lol: OMG the bit at the end where he is throwing his baby around!

Here is one of their professional performances

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-40qZAY2Gw&feature=related

leafygreens
08-02-2012, 01:53 PM
Their pair spin was really innovative. They seemed to be more spunky than the typical "classical" Russian pair.

sequins
08-04-2012, 12:26 AM
Holy crap I never knew all this. I only ever saw them perform once in the 94 Olys and loved them thought they should've won, still do, but I had no idea about all this it's:eek: and a kinda:(

Aussie Willy
08-04-2012, 03:51 AM
Here is their FS from 94 Olympics. I would call this program a masterpiece.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNDqZuQVcQg

casken
08-04-2012, 04:34 AM
I remember quite the brouhaha over this comment from Moskvina about Natalia's weight:

Pairs Skating Can Lead to Double the Trouble (http://articles.latimes.com/1998/feb/09/sports/sp-17296)


"She was a cloud," lamented their coach, Tamara Moskvina. "A heavy cloud."

leafygreens
08-04-2012, 04:03 PM
I remember thinking that M&D were so much more exciting to watch than G&G. It seemed G&G won due to being the favorites.

After re-watching the programs, I just don't know. M&D had a lot more elements in the program. G&G's looked sparse/boring. But it may be because G&G made the difficult look so easy.

Aussie Willy
08-05-2012, 12:11 AM
I remember thinking that M&D were so much more exciting to watch than G&G. It seemed G&G won due to being the favorites.

After re-watching the programs, I just don't know. M&D had a lot more elements in the program. G&G's looked sparse/boring. But it may be because G&G made the difficult look so easy.
I rewatched both of them and whilst there were mistakes, G&G had a clarity of line and ease of movement that is quite special. And whilst you can't hear it, apparently the one thing they had above the other skaters was their quietness on the ice. I also felt they had a better connection to the music. As the commentator said on the clip I saw, it was as if Beethoven had written that music for them. I don't think I got quite the same connection with M&D.