Men's Gymnastics Team Final...

[reckless]

I don't know about men's rules as applied to this dismount, but as a concept it's not bizarre at all. Much of gymnastics judging is about angles. A handstand is considered 10 degrees, at least in WAG, and deductions for deviations from that vary based on the degree. In developmental levels, you can often get full credit for reaching 45% from handstand without deduction on certain skills like casts and circle elements on bars.

ETA a handstand angle is measured from hands to feet, in principle.

Interesting. Do the arms have to be extended? If they arms are flexed, with the elbows sticking out, how do you measure the angle from the hands to the feet?

[skatesindreams]

I was kind of surprised last night when they showed Marta after Jordyn didn't make the AA. It looked like Marta might have had tears in her eyes.

I thought so, too.
Like her or not, I believe Marta knows just how much this means to Jordyn; and hurts for her.

[Loves_Shizuka]

Martha was crying for Bross and Liukin at trials as well.

She's clearly softening in her old age.

[Karpenko]

I don't think blaming Japan or Uchimura is really fair here. The petition was obviously accepted, which means the judges made a mistake that influenced the medals during the biggest event in the sport. Again. This is the FIG's fault, not Japan's IMO.


The emotions you are left with after every meet is just crazy in this sport, it doesn't matter how long you've been a fan you have never seen it all.

[AragornElessar]

So far they are the highlight of this Olympics for me!! :cheer2:

Oh, it's a tie so far for me between the Brit boys today and my Canuck girls yesterday. Finally we can say we legitimately made a Team Final at an Olympic Games. LA doesn't count in a way since they were boycotted Games and the rest of the best outside of Team USA weren't there.

So excited for tomorrow!!! :D

[danafan]

Oh, it's a tie so far for me between the Brit boys today and my Canuck girls yesterday. Finally we can say we legitimately made a Team Final at an Olympic Games. LA doesn't count in a way since they were boycotted Games and the rest of the best outside of Team USA weren't there.

So excited for tomorrow!!! :D

Sorry but this has been a pet peeve of mine in the media.

The concept of a team final didn't come into effect until after the elimination of compulsories. From 1997-2000 there was a new life team final with 6 teams. Then from 2001 on it was raised to 8 teams.

Up until 1996, everyone competed in compulsories then optionals to decide the team rankings (the exception being 1994 when they had a new life optionals only team final for the medals).

So the concept of "making the team final" did not exist in the Olympics until 2000.

So it's really irrelevant and inaccurate for the media to be reporting that it's Canada's first time to qualify for team finals in a non boycotted games, as they have been. To say the best team ranking in a non boycotted games, absolutely.

This is not directed at you AragornElessar I'm just frustrated with how gymnastics gets reported in the media.

[BigB08822]

I think the thing that is unfair is that I feel Japan basically submitted the petition as a last ditch effort to win a medal. If they had been in 2nd place with or without the score change then I seriously doubt they would have bothered. It just feels like a team taking advantage of the rule. Maybe GB or Ukraine would like to go back and petition 3 or 4 different decisions but they didn't have the advantage of having the very last routine in the very last rotation and knowing they were in 4th with nothing to lose by throwing any petition out there.

[dbell1]

I am NOT looking forward to tonight's coverage on NBC. They'll probably do the 'wuz robbed' thing for the Americans and ignore the rest of the competition.

As for Bela, the less said about that buffoon, the better. :scream:

[danafan]

I honestly believe that had any gymnast not received the anticipated D score earlier in the competition, knowing how close things can be, an inquiry would've been filed. This rule exists for the benefit of the athlete.

[skatesindreams]

I'll be watching the coverage "very selectively"!

[Karpenko]

I think the thing that is unfair is that I feel Japan basically submitted the petition as a last ditch effort to win a medal. If they had been in 2nd place with or without the score change then I seriously doubt they would have bothered. It just feels like a team taking advantage of the rule. Maybe GB or Ukraine would like to go back and petition 3 or 4 different decisions but they didn't have the advantage of having the very last routine in the very last rotation and knowing they were in 4th with nothing to lose by throwing any petition out there.

Well this is very true and originally that's how I felt, but then thinking back to it again right as soon as Uchimuras PH score came up was around the time of the final results being posted for everyone to see and soak it all in. I remember the camera cutting to the Japanese team filling the protest almost immediately as soon as they figured out why it was scored so low - the coach was walking to the table within minutes after final results because they did seem confused for a few moments about his score when it was posted (even with the mistake), almost like they were trying to decipher where deductions were taken. You can't really blame them for this either necessarily because if they had been in the first groups of teams to finish all 6 events they would've been able to make the correction before all of the final results were posted.

It would've happened in any countries situation, I'm not sure its fair to blame Japan here because it just as easily could've been GB, USA, China, or any other team that were left in that situation IMO. Just sucks, I hope Ukraine can still look at this as a positive because almost nobody would've even thought that 4th was a possibility for them. I hate the way the sport works, posting final scores etc or final standings really should be held off from now on until they are sure nothing has been accepted, etc. There should be like a trial period or something before making something official to viewers where the teams can actually soak a moment in as a sure thing.

[allezfred]

I think the thing that is unfair is that I feel Japan basically submitted the petition as a last ditch effort to win a medal.

As if any other country would have done differently. :lol:

Time to moveon.org

[doubleflutz]

I think the thing that is unfair is that I feel Japan basically submitted the petition as a last ditch effort to win a medal. If they had been in 2nd place with or without the score change then I seriously doubt they would have bothered.

This is a load of horse crap. Last year at Worlds, during the floor final Uchimura's coach filed a petition the second he saw the D score and knew that his 3.5 had been called as a 2.5 (I think that was the skill, anyway), even though as I recall Uchimura was already in 1st place and going to win anyway. His entire team are incredibly sharp and on the ball about that kind of thing, which isn't surprising given just how much time they spend going over all his elements with the microscope of video replay. Yes, they absolutely would have bothered, because they pay attention to everything. It's not being poor sports, it's good coaching.

[danafan]

^^no they called his triple double a double double. He only added the 3 1/2 twist to his program this year.

[SHARPIE]

As if any other country would have done differently. :lol:

Time to moveon.org



Ive moved on - but noone likes a whiny ass like Janet Evans do they? ;)