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flipforsynchro
07-14-2012, 05:45 PM
Did any of these four men point their toes?

lauravvv
07-14-2012, 06:02 PM
Did any of these four men point their toes?I think - no, at least not much, although I haven't looked that closely at all of their toes (as it's not the main interest in figure skating for me).

lily
07-14-2012, 06:05 PM
Did any of these four men point their toes?

why should they? :rofl:

SamuraiK
07-14-2012, 07:39 PM
why should they? :rofl:

My thoughts exactly!!:lol::lol: Ice Skating is not ballet nor it should be. Ballet training DOES help the improvement and PCS of the skaters but balletic style is not the only way to be artistic as most peole here seem to think, IMHO.

lily
07-14-2012, 07:48 PM
Did any of these four men point their toes?

Although - here you can judge yourself how for instance Lambiel points his toes. From 5.10 on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2bYfozllPs&list=PL570091DE9D2F61B4&index=2&feature=plpp_video

flipforsynchro
07-14-2012, 07:57 PM
Because it makes me less pukey watching them. It's not hard to do. And it's not important criteria, but it's nice to see.

Aussie Willy
07-15-2012, 01:11 AM
I can't believe why Plushenko is weaker than Lambiel or Takahashi!!? lol
This is American board! Very silly result. Very biased people's forum!!! XD :lol:
Because Plushenko lacks transitions. And I would much rather watch the other two any day.

satchelpooch318
07-15-2012, 03:00 AM
Did any of these four men point their toes?

John Curry, these four men definitely are not.

judgejudy27
07-15-2012, 03:19 AM
That's my thing too. If Lysacek (who was voted out early) could beat Plush, then why couldn't Takahashi and Lambiel beat both Lysacek and Plush, if they are so much better? I mean, I love Takahashi and Lambiel, but I think they have received plenty of credit for their wonderful talents in this poll, having outlasted other skaters who dominated over them such as Lysacek and Chan and to some extent Joubert.

:lol::lol::lol: at that whole post. Especialy about the part of Lysacek dominating Lambiel. Lambiel lost to Lysacek once total the entire 2005-2008 period. In that span Lambiel won 2 Worlds, Olympic silver, 2 Grand Prix finals, and Evan managed 2 world bronze medals. Even if you add the 2010 Olympics, their only head to head competition after Lambiel retired (and coincidentally when Lysacek's real run of success began) that makes 2 times total from 2005-2010. Wake me up from whatever planet you are living on thanks.

Chan only met Lambiel once after he became a real contender (with neither still at their peaks nor in their primes clearly) and lost to him even though Lambiel landed something like 4 of 11 jumps cleanly over the 2 programs, so in that sense Lambiel gave Chan some of his own medicine from what he puts competitors through today. Chan never beat Takahashi before the 2010-2011 season, and since that point Chan has dominated everyone, and you can beat your bottom dollar would have crushed Plushenko and Lysacek just as easily had they bothered to compete these last 2 seasons, so what difference does that make to anything.

Lambiel and Takahashi at the 2010 Olympics were coming back from injuries and temoporary retirement. Lets see Lysacek try the same thing in 2014 and where he places, and then we can compare fairly, and I doubt in the unlikely event he does return it will be a favorable one.

Marco
07-15-2012, 11:02 AM
Because Plushenko lacks transitions. And I would much rather watch the other two any day.

Lacks transitions and complex / balanced choreography

Lacks deeper interpretation of music

Weaker skating skills

And I know this is subjective, but Lambiel and Takahashi are at least equal if not better showmen on ice.

lauravvv
07-15-2012, 12:08 PM
Although - here you can judge yourself how for instance Lambiel points his toes. From 5.10 on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2bYfozllPs&list=PL570091DE9D2F61B4&index=2&feature=plpp_videoI think it's not that he can't do it, he just forgets about it while skating :lol:.

senorita
07-15-2012, 12:29 PM
Lacks transitions and complex / balanced choreography

Lacks deeper interpretation of music

Weaker skating skills

And I know this is subjective, but Lambiel and Takahashi are at least equal if not better showmen on ice.

He is a total bathroom break!

Stephane and Daisuke have less than a dozen votes difference than Plu, but for me I ve watched and enjoyed their programs more times than Yagudin's.

reflect
07-15-2012, 12:38 PM
Lacks transitions and complex / balanced choreography

Lacks deeper interpretation of music

Weaker skating skills

And I know this is subjective, but Lambiel and Takahashi are at least equal if not better showmen on ice.

2010 OLY (in which I can find most people in the list in the same competition)
SP
SS
Lambiel: 8.5
Takahashi: 8.3
Chan: 8.3
Plushenko: 8.2
Lysacek: 8.2

Transition:
Lambiel: 8.2
Lysacek: 7.95
Chan: 7.85
Takahashi: 7.5
Plushenko: 6.8

Performance:
Plushenko: 8.65
Lambiel: 8.65
Lysacek: 8.6
Takahashi: 8.55
Chan:8.0

Ch
Lambiel: 8.65
Lysacek: 8.5
Takahashi: 8.3
Chan: 8.25
Plushenko: 7.85

Intepretation:
Lambiel: 9.15
Lysacek: 8.75
Takahashi: 8.7
Chan: 8.3
Plushenko:8.25


FS
Skating Skill:
Takahashi: 8.55
Plushenko: 8.4
Chan: 8.35
Lambiel: 8.3
Lysacek: 8.2

TR
Takahashi: 8.15
Lambiel: 8.05
Lysacek: 7.95
Chan: 7.95
Plushenko: 7.25

PE
Plushenko: 8.8
Lysacek: 8.5
Takahashi:8.5
Lambiel: 8.3
Chan: 8.2

CH
Lambiel: 8.45
Takahashi:8.4
Lysacek: 8.35
Chan: 8.25
Plushenko: 8.2

IN
Plushenko: 8.75
Lambiel: 8.7
Takahashi:8.65
Lysacek: 8.4
Chan: 8.25


Well, I cannot agree with some of the marks above. If the judger's rank is the same as mine (for example, the TR and CH), they might be fair and square. If not, I think they were bias and the skaters were overrated or underrated:rolleyes:

yaya124
07-15-2012, 02:00 PM
2010 OLY (in which I can find most people in the list in the same competition)
SP
SS
Lambiel: 8.5
Takahashi: 8.3
Chan: 8.3
Plushenko: 8.2
Lysacek: 8.2

Transition:
Lambiel: 8.2
Lysacek: 7.95
Chan: 7.85
Takahashi: 7.5
Plushenko: 6.8

Performance:
Plushenko: 8.65
Lambiel: 8.65
Lysacek: 8.6
Takahashi: 8.55
Chan:8.0

Ch
Lambiel: 8.65
Lysacek: 8.5
Takahashi: 8.3
Chan: 8.25
Plushenko: 7.85

Intepretation:
Lambiel: 9.15
Lysacek: 8.75
Takahashi: 8.7
Chan: 8.3
Plushenko:8.25


FS
Skating Skill:
Takahashi: 8.55
Plushenko: 8.4
Chan: 8.35
Lambiel: 8.3
Lysacek: 8.2

TR
Takahashi: 8.15
Lambiel: 8.05
Lysacek: 7.95
Chan: 7.95
Plushenko: 7.25

PE
Plushenko: 8.8
Lysacek: 8.5
Takahashi:8.5
Lambiel: 8.3
Chan: 8.2

CH
Lambiel: 8.45
Takahashi:8.4
Lysacek: 8.35
Chan: 8.25
Plushenko: 8.2

IN
Plushenko: 8.75
Lambiel: 8.7
Takahashi:8.65
Lysacek: 8.4
Chan: 8.25


Well, I cannot agree with some of the marks above. If the judger's rank is the same as mine (for example, the TR and CH), they might be fair and square. If not, I think they were bias and the skaters were overrated or underrated:rolleyes:

It is unfair to only compare these points while exclude the technical points. Moreover, you are comparing only one competition though it was an important competition. If the poll is about that one competition, you can do that. And Yagudin will be out of the list since he did not attend that competition.

reflect
07-15-2012, 02:18 PM
It is unfair to only compare these points while exclude the technical points. Moreover, you are comparing only one competition though it was an important competition. If the poll is about that one competition, you can do that. And Yagudin will be out of the list since he did not attend that competition.

I posted the marks just to see how the judgers considers the skaters' CH, TR, SS and IN. Sorry I can not find Yagudin's marks, but it doesn't matter, we can always imagine he could have high levels in these parts under COP :P.

And I can find the marks of other competitions. But the conclusion is the same, the marks and ranks are fair when they are the same as mine, and they are biased when they are not the same as mine. So I can claim someone is lack of anything I think he lack of.