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shady82
07-12-2012, 12:24 AM
Which programs scored under CoP do you think merit a 6.0 under the old judging system? I'd love to compile a list of these programs. Here's a couple for starters - unless otherwise noted, the 6.0 is for presentation:

MEN:
Daisuke Takahashi, 2006 NHK LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmrr1gpGOPA
Daisuke Takahashi, 2007 World Championships LP: couldn't find the program:confused:
Jeffrey Buttle, 2008 World Championships LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypNSQb9heLA
Jeremy Abbott, 2010 Nationals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJorSTaB59I

LADIES:
Sasha Cohen, 2006 Olympics SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mgTEXcTbis
Mao Asada, 2007 GPF LP (technical merit): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYJ_mG6Qvno
Yu-na Kim, 2010 Olympics LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAia4TeOuyo&feature=fvwrel

PAIRS:
Shen/Zhao, 2004 GPF LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRfNDX3kI
Shen/Zhao, 2005 GPF LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug1xqk5nUSw&feature=related
Pang/Tong, 2010 Olympics LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZslPks2lRCg

DANCE:
Virtue/Moir, 2010 Olympics OD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6mge7uZbLo
Virtue/Moir, 2010 Olympics FD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Pc_a-WBSs

Fozzie Bear
07-12-2012, 01:15 AM
Some great choices there!

I'd definitely add this: Joannie Rochette 2010 Olympic SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnMeysv5bjc)

And this one, even with the mistake: Stephane Lambiel 2006 Worlds LP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvvJLb3k1Pw)

Blair
07-12-2012, 01:17 AM
This would have gotten 6.0 for presentation back in the day.

Jeremy Abbott 2012 Nats FP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVofNqPJQq0&feature=fvwrel

HSGP21
07-12-2012, 01:21 AM
Virtue and Moir, 2008 World FD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBVli-xfJK0

judgejudy27
07-12-2012, 01:27 AM
Yu Na Kim's Vancouver LP would have gotten some 6.0s in any past Olympics or in Vancouver itself under 6.0. It would have won any past Olympics too, probably sweeping all 9 first place ordinals in the LP at any past Olympics to boot (I dont see Tara from Nagano taking one judge off her, and that was the 2nd greatest Olympic winning LP ever).

Vritue & Moir's Vancouver FD would have gotten some 6.0s in any past Olympics except for 1984 or 1992, or in Vancouver itself under 6.0. It would have won any past Olympics except possibly 1984 and 1992.

Irina Slutskaya's 2006 Olympics SP might have gotten a 6.0 or two for required elements, then again she has never gotten a 6.0 for technical merit at the World or Olympic level so perhaps not. I cant believe her 2002 Worlds SP did not get 6.0s for technical merit which it should have, and did get 6.0s for presentation which it should not have. Her 2006 Olympics SP was just as strong technically and superior in presentation to her 2002 Worlds SP.

Sasha's 2006 Olympics SP probably would have gotten some 6.0s for presentation depending on skate order.

Shen & Zhou's 2005 GP final LP would probably have gotten a few 6.0s.

Totmianina & Marinin's 2006 Olympic LP might have gotten a 6.0 or two.

Stephane Lambiel's 2006 Worlds and 2007 Worlds LP probably would have gotten a couple 6.0s for presentation despite the technical errors.

Plushenkos 2005 GP final long program and his 2006 Olympics LP would likely have gotten a couple 6.0s for technical merit, especialy against the field at the time.

vodkashot
07-12-2012, 01:28 AM
Daisuke Takahashi, 2012 WTT LP: http://youtu.be/lDcT_dGSR-I
Yu-Na Kim, 2007 Worlds SP: http://youtu.be/dC0kuQc4Jik
Savchenko/Szolkowy, 2009 Skate Canada LP: http://youtu.be/Bg_DuW8WyLE

AxelAnnie
07-12-2012, 01:29 AM
I don't know enough to comment in ice dance on COP v. 6.0....but that V/M performance was heaven! One of my favorite pieces of music. I don't think I had seen that. Thanks.

DaiKozOda
07-12-2012, 01:42 AM
Daisuke Takahashi - Japanese Nationals 2011 - SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziQ253eUi2I
Virtue & Moir - Worlds 2012 - SD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBOWNw3iMs
Kavaguti & Smirnov - Euros 2010 - SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua9JK05mOn0
Volosozhar & Trankov - Worlds 2012 - LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe4aLU3KhRg
Yu-Na Kim - Worlds 2009 - SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3qaPtr5Re0

Macassar88
07-12-2012, 01:57 AM
Virtue and Moir 2008 FD, 2010 FD and OD
Domnina and Shabalin 2010 CD
Kim Yuna 2010 SP and FS
Slutskaya 2005 FS
Asada 2008 SP

bartek
07-12-2012, 02:19 AM
Yu Na Kim's Vancouver LP would have gotten some 6.0s in any past Olympics or in Vancouver itself under 6.0. It would have won any past Olympics too, probably sweeping all 9 first place ordinals in the LP at any past Olympics to boot (I dont see Tara from Nagano taking one judge off her, and that was the 2nd greatest Olympic winning LP ever).

Vritue & Moir's Vancouver FD would have gotten some 6.0s in any past Olympics except for 1984 or 1992, or in Vancouver itself under 6.0. It would have won any past Olympics except possibly 1984 and 1992.

Irina Slutskaya's 2006 Olympics SP might have gotten a 6.0 or two for required elements, then again she has never gotten a 6.0 for technical merit at the World or Olympic level so perhaps not. I cant believe her 2002 Worlds SP did not get 6.0s for technical merit which it should have, and did get 6.0s for presentation which it should not have. Her 2006 Olympics SP was just as strong technically and superior in presentation to her 2002 Worlds SP.

Sasha's 2006 Olympics SP probably would have gotten some 6.0s for presentation depending on skate order.

Shen & Zhou's 2005 GP final LP would probably have gotten a few 6.0s.

Totmianina & Marinin's 2006 Olympic LP might have gotten a 6.0 or two.

Stephane Lambiel's 2006 Worlds and 2007 Worlds LP probably would have gotten a couple 6.0s for presentation despite the technical errors.

Plushenkos 2005 GP final long program and his 2006 Olympics LP would likely have gotten a couple 6.0s for technical merit, especialy against the field at the time.

As much as I like Slutskaya's skating I don't think any of her shorts deserved 6.0 for technical merit. I would give 6.0 for a skater who landed a triple-triple in SP. Besides, her short from 2006 Olympics wasn't that perfect as she had weak landing on her 3Lz-2T combination.

I think that her 2005 Worlds definitely would've gotten some 6.0's, surely for technical merit and maybe even for presentation since the range of emotion in that performance was incredible.

I would give Yu-Na 6.0 for presentation for her SP from both 2009 Worlds and 2009 4CC and also 6.0 for presentation for 2010 FS from the Olympics. I'm not sure if she should get 6.0 for techical since she did not include one of the triple jumps.

Sasha should definitely get 6.0's for presentation at 2006 Olympics. This program was undermarked in PCS. Yu-Na got more in Vancouver and I don't think it's fair though it might not be the best idea to compare scores form different competitions.

Cherub721
07-12-2012, 02:27 AM
I agree that many of these programs would have been deserving of 6.0s, but not all of them would have actually received 6.0s when skating order is taken into account. For example, Volosozhar & Trankov weren't even in the last group for the 2012 Worlds LP. How many skaters have gotten a 6.0 from the penultimate group? Petrenko in the 94 Oly LP is the only one I recall.

judgejudy27
07-12-2012, 03:39 AM
As much as I like Slutskaya's skating I don't think any of her shorts deserved 6.0 for technical merit. I would give 6.0 for a skater who landed a triple-triple in SP. Besides, her short from 2006 Olympics wasn't that perfect as she had weak landing on her 3Lz-2T combination.

I think that her 2005 Worlds definitely would've gotten some 6.0's, surely for technical merit and maybe even for presentation since the range of emotion in that performance was incredible.

I would give Yu-Na 6.0 for presentation for her SP from both 2009 Worlds and 2009 4CC and also 6.0 for presentation for 2010 FS from the Olympics. I'm not sure if she should get 6.0 for techical since she did not include one of the triple jumps.

Sasha should definitely get 6.0's for presentation at 2006 Olympics. This program was undermarked in PCS. Yu-Na got more in Vancouver and I don't think it's fair though it might not be the best idea to compare scores form different competitions.

Valid points on why Slutskaya didnt get a 6.0 for tech. in the short program. Still nobody was doing a triple-triple in the short back in 2002, so I think 6.0s for technical for her SP at Worlds and the GP final would have been merited. Why the heck give 6.0s for presentation (which for Slutskaya can never be justified, 5.9s perhaps) and not her any for tech. which is her main strength, even for any of her technicallly outstanding SPs, it makes no sense.

I agree on Cohen's 2006 SP but indeed as you suggested you cant compare scores from 2006 to 2010 at all. The scoring inflation over time vs quality is ridiculous. Quality might have improved on the whole since then (well in some disciplines, at some times, not really) but in no way by the margin of the scores.

I cant believe I am saying this but I think one or two judges might have thrown out a 6.0 for Miki Ando's LP at the 2006 Skate America and 2007 Worlds event. Triple lutz-triple loop, 7 triples in both, and all jumps clean and very strong. Other elements not that great, but on the tech. mark under 6.0 they started with the jumps and looked at other elements from there. Which just shows how COP is different, since Asada's LP outscored her technically at Worlds even with the mistakes, but probably wouldnt have under 6.0 even with her triple axel due to the mistakes.

Proustable
07-12-2012, 03:45 AM
How about Patrick Chan's SP at Worlds 2011?

Marco
07-12-2012, 10:03 AM
Kim's 2007 and 2009 Worlds short programs and 2010 Olympic long program.

Asada's 2006 Skate America short program.

Suzuki's 2011 NHK short program.

Kostner's 2012 Worlds long program.

Czisny's 2011 US Nationals long program.

Weir's 2006 Olympic short program.

Buttle's 2008 Worlds long program.

Chan's 2011 Worlds short program.

Way too many to pick from Lambiel and Takahashi.

Emdee
07-12-2012, 10:56 AM
Chan's 4CC in 2009