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AndyWarhol
07-10-2012, 10:39 AM
I try to pretend Bolero never happened.

I never minded the simplicity of the choreography of other programs.. I considered it less is more, much like her Ver a Wang costumes.

Marco
07-10-2012, 11:31 AM
I try to pretend Bolero never happened.


:lol:

Mafke
07-10-2012, 03:05 PM
I try to pretend Bolero never happened.


I don't understand, what never happened? I'm sure I have no idea what you're talking about....

Triple Butz
07-10-2012, 03:23 PM
I don't understand, what never happened? I'm sure I have no idea what you're talking about....

Yes, Kwan retired after a satisfying bronze medal win in 2004...:saint: The End.

FunnyBut
07-10-2012, 03:39 PM
Agree, Michelle effectively retired in 2004. In 2005 , USFS replaced her with Imelda Marcos. They sent Imelda because she 'renounced' her eligibility in the her country of origin, The Phillipines, but waited the pre-requisite number of years to represent the U.S. Her many years of dominance and preserverence 'dictated' a shot at the World title.

berthesghost
07-10-2012, 03:46 PM
:lol:

As much as I'd love to erase all memory of not only Bolero, but that hideous gold one-shouldered monstrosity she wore, I still contend that the 05 season held one and only one goal for Kwan: get that record tying nat title! She seemed surprising happy with the results of what for most skaters would be a disappointing season. I think it's because she reached all of her personal goals for that season.

I'd actually be just fine with a post 02 worlds retirement, but I have to admit to an actual anticipation to "Battle of the Totentanzes" in Torino. :hat1: 06 has to have been one of the most :blah: Oly in History. ZZZzzzzzzz

VIETgrlTerifa
07-10-2012, 03:57 PM
I guess in hindsight Kwan should have taken the 2004 and 2005 season off for surgery and recovery. Who knows what could have happened in 2006 with a truly physically healthy Kwan (at least the Kwan that was healthier than 2004 and 2005).

michiruwater
07-10-2012, 04:11 PM
My God, you guys, it's a summer poll for funsies. "More articulate criteria"? It's an OFF-SEASON POLL. Try not taking it so damned seriously.

falling_dance
07-10-2012, 04:16 PM
My God, you guys, it's a summer poll for funsies. "More articulate criteria"? It's an OFF-SEASON POLL. Try not taking it so damned seriously.

This is the final off-season before December 21, 2012. It matters.

:saint:

attyfan
07-10-2012, 10:29 PM
Judging Kwan by 2005 (especially by her performance at Worlds that year) is like judging Slutskaya by her 2004 Worlds skate ... neither lady was physically capable of skating "up to her usual standard". That both even showed up to Worlds, despite injury or illness, is a tribute to their courage and competitiveness. That they placed respectably is a tribute to their strength of mind.

bartek
07-10-2012, 11:50 PM
Judging Kwan by 2005 (especially by her performance at Worlds that year) is like judging Slutskaya by her 2004 Worlds skate ... neither lady was physically capable of skating "up to her usual standard". That both even showed up to Worlds, despite injury or illness, is a tribute to their courage and competitiveness. That they placed respectably is a tribute to their strength of mind.

Not really. Irina was in much worse situation at 2004 Worlds. She was struggling with life-threatening illness all season and didn't skate even at one competition. Michelle didn't have such serious health problem that would have prevented her from skating. Despite hip issues she was normally skating, teraining, practicing all the triples apart from the loop. And she skated at three competitions prior to 2005 Worlds.

UGG
07-11-2012, 02:26 AM
Not really. Irina was in much worse situation at 2004 Worlds. She was struggling with life-threatening illness all season and didn't skate even at one competition. Michelle didn't have such serious health problem that would have prevented her from skating. Despite hip issues she was normally skating, teraining, practicing all the triples apart from the loop. And she skated at three competitions prior to 2005 Worlds.

I think the point is that Michelle was not in top shape, physically, due to her injury. She actually was not skating "normally" for her. That worlds was probably her wost worlds showing ever even with her beautiful short program. Her QR was disastrous, and her LP was very below mediocre for her typical standard. But even with all that going on, she was still third in the LP and I think less than a point away from the bronze.

I wish we could have seen what a tip top no injury Michelle could have done under COP.

burntBREAD
07-11-2012, 06:18 AM
I think the point is that Michelle was not in top shape, physically, due to her injury. She actually was not skating "normally" for her. That worlds was probably her wost worlds showing ever even with her beautiful short program. Her QR was disastrous, and her LP was very below mediocre for her typical standard. But even with all that going on, she was still third in the LP and I think less than a point away from the bronze.

I wish we could have seen what a tip top no injury Michelle could have done under COP.

Well, if her body didn't betray her in 2006 we would have seen her skating to TAT's Bells of Moscow I believe (Am I right? I'm not 100% sure, but wasn't Michelle planning on skating to the exact same Totentanz as Irina and then Bells for the LP?)... I'm trying to imagine Michelle slapping herself in the face in angst.

os168
07-11-2012, 12:28 PM
I will never forget them!

Maybe this is more for the confessions thread, but I like the perk in Leonova's prgrammes, and I really liked the pirates of the caribbean programme, hammy it was :P I like her attempts to pretend to be a pirate more than 50% of the rest of the field who are attempting to pretend to be ballerinas.

One thing the group of ladies left have going for them - none of them have done the attempt to be a ballerina on the ice, and for that they all get a massive bonus.

You are not the only one. Pirate of the Caribbean is truthful to its origins in Pantomine and children's theatrics, so Alena's exaggerated performance are actually perfectly warranted. I thought she did great! Experiencing her performance is like drinking PopFizz jam packed full of artificial colours and flavourings, you may feel buzzed while watching it even if you will regret it an hour later after the sugar wear off. This program is Morozov at his best, who seems incapable of subtlety anyway and like to hide behind these big themes that he superficially renders. It works well when he get committed performers like Alena. Alena's LP on the other hand was just crazy bad, technical content aside.

I generally dislike any typical ladies program that are too safe, generic wanting to be too lady like as if they are competing in a debutante ball.... mostly Zzzzz! That is why I am very curious to check out Akiko's Kill Bill. Hope it won't be a Kill Bill in a yellow ballerina dress going on about looking pretty and full of happy smiles, that would disastrous! Though certain ballerina appreciation crowd will probably like it! :yikes:

kwanette
07-11-2012, 01:10 PM
I will never forget them!

Maybe this is more for the confessions thread, but I like the perk in Leonova's prgrammes, and I really liked the pirates of the caribbean programme, hammy it was :P I like her attempts to pretend to be a pirate more than 50% of the rest of the field who are attempting to pretend to be ballerinas.

One thing the group of ladies left have going for them - none of them have done the attempt to be a ballerina on the ice, and for that they all get a massive bonus.

I liked it, too. I saw it in person at Skate Canada and I really felt that it fit her..liked the costume, sloppy hair and all. It all worked.

OTOH, can't stand when she does serious..she comes across as an Irina redux.