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kwanatic
07-03-2012, 01:39 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's way too early to predict anything.

For the upcoming season, she should just concentrate on doing clean programs rather than thinking about color of medals. Take it easy on transitions and choreography, and make sure she has room to breadth between jumping sequences.

Except Olympic season of 2009/2010, she always had problems getting through long programs without running out of gas. If she can skate clean this season, she should be home dry. She will be abled to turn on the heat when she starts to prepare for 2014 Olympic season.

This sport is slowly progressing towards a display of jump elements with a few spins and crossovers thrown in. Look at the monster score Alena Leonova got for her SP in Nice. That program was horse sh*t and yet she was rewarded the top score of the night. I'd hate to see Yu-Na lower herself to that standard of skating. She's the only skater of this IJS era to maximize the system on both ends, TES and PCS. If she took a Morosov approach to her skating it would break my heart. I hate it when skaters have to compromise their style and what makes them special just to earn a score. She can start off with a less demanding technical load and build her way up heading into Soichi, but I really hope she doesn't strip her skating down in terms of choreography, transitions and artistry.

If Yu-Na came out and did a program a la Alena Leonova (basically end to end jumping with zero in between) she'd quickly lose me as a fan. The choreography and transitions are what make her skating enjoyable so I really hope she doesn't go that route.

l'etoile
07-03-2012, 01:54 PM
Beautiful transitions and commitment, dedication to the choreography are what brought Yuna onto the spotlight in terms of presentation and her reputation. I hardly doubt she's ever take Morozov-approach ever. Lots of skaters may compromise, but Yuna? I don't think so.

lauravvv
07-03-2012, 02:22 PM
From my perspective it seems like she is being pressured into this. I don't believe her heart is in it. I don't know her, never met her, but this sounds like pressure. My take on her OGM was that she did it, it's OVER. She never appeared to like figure skating and was even quoted at age 13/14 that she wanted to quit.Read at least one of the articles posted here where Yuna explains her reasons. Try to believe that she is not lying at least this one time.


Then again, maybe she has stealthily been practicing, straightening out her legs, learning to point her toes, have better turn-out, etc. Who knows. I really doubt that, as she has never needed that to receive the needed marks. There are other things that she needs to work on in order to get them back. If she manages that and to attain some psychological stability, it should be enough.



I cannot think that this performance is by a skater who doesn't like or even hates(according to some people) skating. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB7rccqcSzgDon't bother. It seems that most people here are not interested in show performances, since they can't fathom that those might be any good nowadays (or they were never interested in skating outside of competition to begin with). So, most likely no one will watch this. But I absolutely agree with you (I have seen this program/performance and other performances from Yuna that, to me, showed that she can enjoy skating).

kwanatic
07-03-2012, 02:42 PM
Beautiful transitions and commitment, dedication to the choreography are what brought Yuna onto the spotlight in terms of presentation and her reputation. I hardly doubt she's ever take Morozov-approach ever. Lots of skaters may compromise, but Yuna? I don't think so.

I don't either, but just the suggestion hit a nerve for me. :mad:

RumbleFish
07-03-2012, 02:47 PM
This sport is slowly progressing towards a display of jump elements with a few spins and crossovers thrown in. Look at the monster score Alena Leonova got for her SP in Nice. That program was horse sh*t and yet she was rewarded the top score of the night. I'd hate to see Yu-Na lower herself to that standard of skating. She's the only skater of this IJS era to maximize the system on both ends, TES and PCS. If she took a Morosov approach to her skating it would break my heart. I hate it when skaters have to compromise their style and what makes them special just to earn a score. She can start off with a less demanding technical load and build her way up heading into Soichi, but I really hope she doesn't strip her skating down in terms of choreography, transitions and artistry.

If Yu-Na came out and did a program a la Alena Leonova (basically end to end jumping with zero in between) she'd quickly lose me as a fan. The choreography and transitions are what make her skating enjoyable so I really hope she doesn't go that route.

You see, this is the exactly type of thing her camp should look out for, i.e. comparing her 2014 program and performance to those of 2010.

Poor girl is being asked to better her own past performances rather than those of her competitors. How is that for fairness, sigh.

It would be reasonable to guess that she won't likely repeat or better her Vancuver performances. She was at the peak of her game in 2010, as well-trained as ever, and free of nagging injuries. Now, she is older and has taken a lengthy vacation out of competitions.

BTW, let me clarify what I mean by taking it easy on transitions and choreography. I imagine it would be something like her 2009 LP to Sheherazade. It wasn't nearly difficult and intricate as her 2010 Concerto in F program, though it was a pretty program nicely woven together. It did, however, provide enough breathing room for Kim, who always had trouble getting through a long program without running out of steam. If she gets back into her 2010 shape, she might want to turn on the heat with her 2014 Olympic program, but I think a moderate program will suit her needs for this season.

If a program like Sheherazade isn't going to be good enough for you, I wouldn't know what to say.

I also think you won't have to worry about Kim pulling a Leonova. I expect Kim and Wilson have more sense of decency than Leonova and Morozov will ever have.

spikydurian
07-03-2012, 04:09 PM
Beautiful transitions and commitment, dedication to the choreography are what brought Yuna onto the spotlight in terms of presentation and her reputation. I hardly doubt she's ever take Morozov-approach ever. Lots of skaters may compromise, but Yuna? I don't think so.
:respec: She has been there and she should know what to expect. Michelle would have told her what different pressure she is likely to face (based on Michelle's own experience). She's a sensible girl. I am sure she knows her strengths and limitations. I like the fact that her return will up the ante for the ladies. Just like Plushenko and Weir's return will also increase the competition in the men. Good on you Yuna. Just do your best.

kwanatic
07-03-2012, 07:45 PM
You see, this is the exactly type of thing her camp should look out for, i.e. comparing her 2014 program and performance to those of 2010.

Poor girl is being asked to better her own past performances rather than those of her competitors. How is that for fairness, sigh.

It would be reasonable to guess that she won't likely repeat or better her Vancuver performances. She was at the peak of her game in 2010, as well-trained as ever, and free of nagging injuries. Now, she is older and has taken a lengthy vacation out of competitions.

BTW, let me clarify what I mean by taking it easy on transitions and choreography. I imagine it would be something like her 2009 LP to Sheherazade. It wasn't nearly difficult and intricate as her 2010 Concerto in F program, though it was a pretty program nicely woven together. It did, however, provide enough breathing room for Kim, who always had trouble getting through a long program without running out of steam. If she gets back into her 2010 shape, she might want to turn on the heat with her 2014 Olympic program, but I think a moderate program will suit her needs for this season.

If a program like Sheherazade isn't going to be good enough for you, I wouldn't know what to say.

I also think you won't have to worry about Kim pulling a Leonova. I expect Kim and Wilson have more sense of decency than Leonova and Morozov will ever have.

I get where you're coming from 100%. She shouldn't extend herself if she doesn't need to and in this current ladies field, she soooooo doesn't need to. As long as the rest of her skating stays constant (meaning her SS, CH, IN and PE) are at her level--which it will be b/c she's Yu-Na --she can afford to ease up on her technical content if need be. A 3lz-3t is all she needs to set her apart from the rest of the field; she could even downgrade to the 3f-3t if she wanted to. There are only a handful of ladies successfully hitting that lz-t combo and I don't think any of them were at worlds.

I think her two programs from 2011 deserve another shot. She only performed them once and neither one was clean or performed to its potential. If not, I'd love to see her bring back her 2007 programs (Tango and Lark). She was budding as an artist back then; I'd love to see her perform them now with the level of maturity and polish she's gained over the years. She and David could even revamp them a bit. Either way, I know she won't be approaching this in a half-assed manner. I'm really excited to see what she can do! :rollin:

dawnie
07-03-2012, 08:23 PM
I get where you're coming from 100%. She shouldn't extend herself if she doesn't need to and in this current ladies field, she soooooo doesn't need to. As long as the rest of her skating stays constant (meaning her SS, CH, IN and PE) are at her level--which it will be b/c she's Yu-Na --she can afford to ease up on her technical content if need be. A 3lz-3t is all she needs to set her apart from the rest of the field; she could even downgrade to the 3f-3t if she wanted to. There are only a handful of ladies successfully hitting that lz-t combo and I don't think any of them were at worlds.

I think her two programs from 2011 deserve another shot. She only performed them once and neither one was clean or performed to its potential. If not, I'd love to see her bring back her 2007 programs (Tango and Lark). She was budding as an artist back then; I'd love to see her perform them now with the level of maturity and polish she's gained over the years. She and David could even revamp them a bit. Either way, I know she won't be approaching this in a half-assed manner. I'm really excited to see what she can do! :rollin:

I thought the reason she switched to 3lz-3t was because she was getting ! calls on the flip when she did the 3f-3t? I would love if she brought it back though since it had slightly more oomph than the 3lz-3t.

I really don't think she should (or would) repeat her 2007 programs. Tango de Roxanne was a masterpiece and as we've seen with Michelle and her Rach SP, repeating masterpieces don't really have the same effect the second time.
As for Lark Ascending, that was another gem even though it was never skated cleanly. I don't think Yuna or David will ever go the repeat route except probably revamping Arirang. If she goes with Arirang again, I hope they find new music for the footwork section. I couldn't stand those voices or whatever the hell it was in the background.

On a related note... whatever happened to Shae-Lynn choreographing her 2011 SP? Was it ever revealed why that never happened?

pinky166
07-03-2012, 11:14 PM
This certainly took me by surprise. I have to wonder if she'll end up changing her mind again, though. Figure skating just seems so different now from when Yuna was tearing up the scene a few years ago. Plus she's competed once in the past 2 years, and this past season not at all, I know she still trains, but she's getting older and with all that time off I imagine it would be tough to get back into her former dominating form.

seabm7
07-04-2012, 05:05 AM
On a related note... whatever happened to Shae-Lynn choreographing her 2011 SP? Was it ever revealed why that never happened?

There was no official explanantion on why it did not happen. But something can be guessed from my old memories.

IIRC, when Yuna was supposed to start the SP work with Shae-Lynn, the Kim-Orser split blew up unexpected. Yuna had to move out of Toronto. Shae-Lynn started participating in BOTB full time for an extended period. Most probably they could not find a suitable time slot again to create the program together for that season.

misskarne
07-04-2012, 05:25 AM
I only have two thoughts on this matter:

1) This better not be a repeat of that arrogant little stunt she pulled the season before last.

2) I hope this is what she REALLY wants and she's not being pressured into this by her federation. There's a difference between enjoying skating in shows, and skating in competition.

blue_idealist
07-04-2012, 05:41 AM
There was no official explanantion on why it did not happen. But something can be guessed from my old memories.

IIRC, when Yuna was supposed to start the SP work with Shae-Lynn, the Kim-Orser split blew up unexpected. Yuna had to move out of Toronto. Shae-Lynn started participating in BOTB full time for an extended period. Most probably they could not find a suitable time slot again to create the program together for that season.

Is Shae-Lynn good friends with Brian? Jw if anyone knows!

lakewood
07-04-2012, 05:49 AM
On a related note... whatever happened to Shae-Lynn choreographing her 2011 SP? Was it ever revealed why that never happened?
Nobody knows why, but considering YuNa invited Shae-Lynn to her show after one year, there was nothing bad between them.


I only have two thoughts on this matter:

1) This better not be a repeat of that arrogant little stunt she pulled the season before last.



What arrogance???

TripleWallie
07-04-2012, 05:51 AM
I only have two thoughts on this matter:

1) This better not be a repeat of that arrogant little stunt she pulled the season before last.

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Even if she wanted to, she couldn't do what she did in 2011 and go straight to Worlds because of the new rules. She herself acknowledged that in the conference. She'll skate at nationals, a senior B or 4CC, and then Worlds for this coming season. It's too late to apply (and too early try) for the GP.

Karpenko
07-04-2012, 06:05 AM
I welcome it, it's going to really light a much needed fire in the ladies competition. Couple this with a resurgence of European ladies skating, a group of American ladies wanting to get back on top, and an Olympic silver medalist who wants to win this time - and it's an extremely exciting time on the ladies side! :respec: I never gave her due when she competed, but looking back her skating was of absolutely exceptional quality and that is always more than welcome by me. :)