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RumbleFish
07-03-2012, 01:13 AM
Does anyone think that Kim is doing this for any other reason then to hold up figure skating for South Korea since she is still all they have at the moment. She's doing this simply out of obligation to her country not because she really wants to keep competing.

Money and fame.
She already knows what it taste like and wants more perhaps? Of course, there is nothing wrong with this, as it is how our society is put together to begin with.

a56
07-03-2012, 01:16 AM
I think she's doing this out of a sense of obligation to her country because of the poor results at the Nice worlds. If this is true, it is disappointing that she keeps giving in to the pressure she probably feels from her federation/country/whomever to keep competing. I hope she realizes that she doesn't owe anything to anyone.

If she is serious, she needs to start training 100% with a coach ASAP. Skip FC and GP/GPF. She should do a minimum of 2 or 3 Senior B competitions in Europe, at least one in the fall and one or two just before Worlds (any GP-participating top skater would participate in a minimum of 3 international events before worlds - 2 GP + GPF). She should be aiming for no less than the gold medal, not just to get 2 spots for the Olympics. Getting another silver or bronze is going to be a pretty disappointing result for her. There needs to be some kind of top reward to justify all that training again, and nothing less than a world title would be satisfactory, I think.

Eislauffan
07-03-2012, 01:22 AM
Maybe Nikolai Morozov has given her a call already and offered his service as a coach? ;-)

(This was a joke, and I have no indication whatsoever that he did that or that she is considering him as a coach. I know that many posters here have problems to realize what is a joke, irony or sarcasm).

More seriously, I think that Yuna Kim pretty much most of the time knew what she is doing. I don't believe that she was pressured into this. It came pretty well accross in that statement (thank you for the translation) that she is looking for a comeback to enjoy competing and probably enjoy the Olympic experience more than she did in 2010. Remember, when Katarina Witt came back in 1994? She was not a medal contender with her outdated jump content but she came back to enjoy the experience, something she couldn't really do when she was fighting for gold, competing for the GDR (East Germany) in 1984 and 1988.
Yuna Kim is a very intellligent young lady and she always has been very realistic. She said in that press conference that she knows that she has to get back into shape and I'm sure if (when) she shows up she'll be competitive.
I hope that she can prepare well and I'll be very happy to see her back competing. She'll probably pick one of the later senior B and then go to Nationals and 4CC and Worlds. Great news. :-)

TripleWallie
07-03-2012, 01:22 AM
I think she's doing this out of a sense of obligation to her country because of the poor results at the Nice worlds. If this is true, it is disappointing that she keeps giving in to the pressure she probably feels from her federation/country/whomever to keep competing. I hope she realizes that she doesn't owe anything to anyone.

If she is serious, she needs to start training 100% with a coach ASAP. Skip FC and GP/GPF. She should do a minimum of 2 or 3 Senior B competitions in Europe, at least one in the fall and one or two just before Worlds (any GP-participating top skater would participate in a minimum of 3 international events before worlds - 2 GP + GPF). She should be aiming for no less than the gold medal, not just to get 2 spots for the Olympics. Getting another silver or bronze is going to be a pretty disappointing result for her. Three spots are unlikely because that's never happened before, and it all depends on the country's second entry's results.

Korea gets only one entry to Worlds next year, so it's all up to Yuna. She will medal, in all likelihood, as she's always done. It's only the color that's up in the air. If she wins at least silver, Korea gets three tickets to Sochi.

RumbleFish
07-03-2012, 01:46 AM
Korea gets only one entry to Worlds next year, so it's all up to Yuna. She will medal, in all likelihood, as she's always done. It's only the color that's up in the air. If she wins at least silver, Korea gets three tickets to Sochi.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's way too early to predict anything.

For the upcoming season, she should just concentrate on doing clean programs rather than thinking about color of medals. Take it easy on transitions and choreography, and make sure she has room to breadth between jumping sequences.

Except Olympic season of 2009/2010, she always had problems getting through long programs without running out of gas. If she can skate clean this season, she should be home dry. She will be abled to turn on the heat when she starts to prepare for 2014 Olympic season.

TripleWallie
07-03-2012, 01:58 AM
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's way too early to predict anything.

For the upcoming season, she should just concentrate on doing clean programs rather than thinking about color of medals. Take it easy on transitions and choreography, and make sure she has room to breadth between jumping sequences.

Except Olympic season of 2009/2010, she always had problems getting through long programs without running out of gas. If she can skate clean this season, she should be home dry. She will be abled to turn on the heat when she starts to prepare for 2014 Olympic season.

I'm not so sure about a take-it-easy strategy. I think she needs to gain momentum this coming season, not wait until the 2014 season. She'll need at least a World medal to be considered a contender in Sochi in the eyes of the judges. Having a World medal or title goes a long way to securing an Olympic medal or even gold. Only way around that is pure luck--a la Sarah Hughes. I don't think Yuna wants to count mostly on luck.

RumbleFish
07-03-2012, 02:08 AM
I'm not so sure about a take-it-easy strategy. I think she needs to gain momentum this coming season, not wait until the 2014 season. She'll need at least a World medal to be considered a contender in Sochi in the eyes of the judges. Having a World medal or title goes a long way to securing an Olympic medal or even gold. Only way around that is pure luck--a la Sarah Hughes. I don't think Yuna wants to count mostly on luck.

Easier said than done, isn't it.;)

Do you know you are demanding a world title from someone who has been eating potato chips for last year and a half, and the competition is only half year ahead?

a56
07-03-2012, 03:30 AM
Korea gets only one entry to Worlds next year, so it's all up to Yuna. She will medal, in all likelihood, as she's always done. It's only the color that's up in the air. If she wins at least silver, Korea gets three tickets to Sochi.
That's true. I forgot that they only have one spot for 2013 worlds, so if she finishes in the top 2, they get 3 spots for the 2014 Olympics & Worlds. If she finishes in the top 10, they get 2. However, that solidifies my feeling that she feels an obligation to get these extra spots, either from within herself or from others, even if it's only a secondary reason. If she doesn't compete next year, then they'll most likely end up with zero or 1 spot for the 2014 Olympics, unless if someone else qualified via Nebelhorn.

Jammers
07-03-2012, 07:15 AM
Maybe Nikolai Morozov has given her a call already and offered his service as a coach? ;-)

(This was a joke, and I have no indication whatsoever that he did that or that she is considering him as a coach. I know that many posters here have problems to realize what is a joke, irony or sarcasm).

More seriously, I think that Yuna Kim pretty much most of the time knew what she is doing. I don't believe that she was pressured into this. It came pretty well accross in that statement (thank you for the translation) that she is looking for a comeback to enjoy competing and probably enjoy the Olympic experience more than she did in 2010. Remember, when Katarina Witt came back in 1994? She was not a medal contender with her outdated jump content but she came back to enjoy the experience, something she couldn't really do when she was fighting for gold, competing for the GDR (East Germany) in 1984 and 1988.
Yuna Kim is a very intellligent young lady and she always has been very realistic. She said in that press conference that she knows that she has to get back into shape and I'm sure if (when) she shows up she'll be competitive.
I hope that she can prepare well and I'll be very happy to see her back competing. She'll probably pick one of the later senior B and then go to Nationals and 4CC and Worlds. Great news. :-)

But there will be pressure on Kim that Witt didn't have in 1994. Like you said Witt wasn't a contender in 94 being away from competition for 6 years with her outdated outdated jump and being almost 30. Kim will only be 23 in Sochi and if she gets in shape will still be a contender so how much of the Olympics will she really be able to enjoy?

Japanfan
07-03-2012, 08:19 AM
Oh yes. Yu-na for the win. I'd love it if she could defend that title. I have nothing against the Russians - but I have everything against the "let's have 50 girls work on 3-3s and most difficult jumps - most of them will never make it, but as long as one comes through in the right time period between eligibility and onset of puberty and wins that Gold, we just don't care." - mentality. I know it's the nature of the sport, I know that it happens in most countries, in the sports of gymnastics and skating - but I still don't like it. I was very happy that Asada and Kim were 19 by the time they skated their first Olympics - and I would really like them to face each other again in Sochi as "mature" ladies in their early twenties.

But the Russian strategy is a competitive one and getting the technical content down is a huge part of being a medal contender. Yunah did have a 3-3 in her arsenal, , after all.

Personally I'm rooting for the Russian girls over Yunah :slinkaway. . In part that's because it is so darn tough for Russian single lady skaters to get any recognition, so they really have to be fighters. I always tend to root for the underdog. And in part it is because while I totally appreciate Yunah, I don't adore her skating. Plus, if she wins the 2014 Olympics because no one else has stepped up to the plate in the past four years, it won't be a very exciting competition.

My personal favourite is Mao, but I fear her best days have come and gone. . .Kostner at her best could give Kim some competition, but will Kostner retain her form from last season through to Sochi?

Not to mention, comebacks are more easily said than done. I won't believe that any of those promising to come back (Lysacek, Weir, Yunah) will actually achieve that until it happens. Emanuel Sandhu's comeback lasted 10 minutes - Sasha Cohen's, only through Nationals.

t.mann
07-03-2012, 08:57 AM
That's true. I forgot that they only have one spot for 2013 worlds, so if she finishes in the top 2, they get 3 spots for the 2014 Olympics & Worlds. If she finishes in the top 10, they get 2. However, that solidifies my feeling that she feels an obligation to get these extra spots, either from within herself or from others, even if it's only a secondary reason. If she doesn't compete next year, then they'll most likely end up with zero or 1 spot for the 2014 Olympics, unless if someone else qualified via Nebelhorn.

Agree.


:cheer2: :saint:
What a great news!! I'm so excited!
More translations from press conference.
http://yunaforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3900&view=findpost&p=103870


"Because training's so hard & I felt so pressured, life as an athlete was so tough for me. OTOH I felt a bit regretful. I felt like if I retire now because of pressure I may end up regretting it later."

"I didn't choose to go to Sochi just for the IOC member qualification. Of course, I must compete in Sochi in order to qualify, but as I said there was a bit of regret. I thought I may be able to compete calmly if I didn't set such high expectations."

"I felt very sorry for many of the younger skaters because they were training so hard. I was motivated to see them train even harder than me at that age. For them, I'll go to the Worlds and earn more spots. I want to create memories w/ them (going to competitions)."

senorita
07-03-2012, 09:10 AM
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senorita
07-03-2012, 09:13 AM
Oh yes. Yu-na for the win. I'd love it if she could defend that title. I have nothing against the Russians - but I have everything against the "let's have 50 girls work on 3-3s and most difficult jumps - most of them will never make it, but as long as one comes through in the right time period between eligibility and onset of puberty and wins that Gold, we just don't care." - mentality.

Yes but then Mao and Yuna started with the same mentality. Remember the jumps Mao used to do when she beated Sasha and Irina? And Liza and Adelina will be over 17 in the Sochi Olys, and will have competed in seniors 2 seasons plus the one they already did compete in Gp. Yuna was less than 17 when she competed in her first Worlds and won the bronze. And you know when Mao started her senior career. I dont see a difference between their path so far and the Russians or whoever starts now.


Do you know you are demanding a world title from someone who has been eating potato chips for last year and a half, and the competition is only half year ahead?

Plushenko was eating pizza and chocolate a year before Vancouver, I think Yuna looks in much better shape than he did in 2008

Glacier cat
07-03-2012, 10:18 AM
Originally Posted by RumbleFish
Do you know you are demanding a world title from someone who has been eating potato chips for last year and a half, and the competition is only half year ahead?
Plushenko was eating pizza and chocolate a year before Vancouver, I think Yuna looks in much better shape than he did in 2008
Agree. The situation of Plushenko was more mess. He had to lose 10 kilos in 2009. But Yuna looks great still now :)

Iceman
07-03-2012, 12:32 PM
I think she is too psychologically fragile for this to materialize.