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RumbleFish
07-07-2012, 04:04 AM
It's Korean coaches who gave her her basics and it's Korean coaches who coached her to her first international titles.

Why wouldn't they be capable of handling her?

She can always consult with other coaches.

I mean for example, she could have her jumps recorded and then the videos sent to a foreign specialist who would analyse them on Dartfish and give tips.

For technical stuff, I agree with what you are saying.
But I think there are more to coaching an elite athlete at the highest level, i.e. things like inspring, motivating, and even politiking in some cases.

Would her former coaches be able to keep their nerves under control at the biggest stages such as olympics and not freak out?
Perhaps, but I wouldn't be so certain.

magnolia
07-07-2012, 04:22 AM
Watching Yuna skate this year, it occured to me that the only jump technique that is sound for her is the axel. I'm guessing Brian coached that jump for her but it seems he didn't try and change any of the other jumps.

Ziggy
07-07-2012, 04:23 AM
RumbleFish, I get your point. I guess a high profile skater like this wants a coach who experienced it all.


I like to think of skating as a sport rather than a pageant.

Well it is both. And not just skating, all other sports too.

Whether you're keen on celebrity stuff or not, I think that whatever brings more attention to skating is good.


I'm certain Yu Na wants endorsement deals and sponsorship, but I'm certain she has more than enough money to cover the cost of competing, so any new deals would not exactly be to support her training.

Why shouldn't she make money out of being an athlete?


Watching Yuna skate this year, it occured to me that the only jump technique that is sound for her is the axel. I'm guessing Brian coached that jump for her but it seems he didn't try and change any of the other jumps.

What's wrong with her other jumps?

bardtoob
07-07-2012, 04:38 AM
Whether you're keen on celebrity stuff or not, I think that whatever brings more attention to skating is good.

Why shouldn't she make money out of being an athlete?

I don't think Yu Na would be hurting for endorsements if she just focused on skating since her skating is what earned her celebrity in the first place, especially since she can probably still skate very well.

And I don't like celebrities that are celebrities for being celebrities, and it is particularly strange that an athlete, somebody that is suppose to yield results, would participate in the media that way . . . and I am not just talking about Yu Na, but also Weir, Cohen, etc.

magnolia
07-07-2012, 04:40 AM
I was referring to her toe jumps. The way she picks the ice was not ideal and would cause under-rotation in anyone with less entry speed. Yuna's entry speed used to be spectacular. For her to be able to do 3-3 with the same technique might now be difficult. (The ideal textbook toe pick, for comparison, would be Elizaveta's.)

TripleWallie
07-07-2012, 04:50 AM
Watching Yuna skate this year, it occured to me that the only jump technique that is sound for her is the axel. I'm guessing Brian coached that jump for her but it seems he didn't try and change any of the other jumps.

Yuna's always had a great Axel technique and besides it's the easiest jump. Of course she can still do it well without very rigorous training. Even Midori Ito at 42 years old can still do a great double Axel.

Now that she's been on break for a while, her triples need some work. The double Axel is probably what she practices the most at the Taereung rink, where she "trained" in the last year.

Ziggy
07-07-2012, 04:54 AM
I don't think Yu Na would be hurting for endorsements if she just focused on skating since her skating is what earned her celebrity in the first place, especially since she can probably still skate very well.

And I don't like celebrities that are celebrities for being celebrities, and it is particularly strange that an athlete, somebody that is suppose to yield results, would participate in the media that way . . . and I am not just talking about Yu Na, but also Weir, Cohen, etc.

But athletes aren't celebrities for being celebrities. They are celebrities for being athletes.

And if somebody sponsors/endorses you, then they expect you to keep as high as profile as possible given you are representing them.

magnolia
07-07-2012, 04:58 AM
If the technique's sound and as long as there's no injury, you can usually expect the skater to keep the triples for at least the first few years after retirement. Look at Shizuka.

TripleWallie
07-07-2012, 05:04 AM
If the technique's sound and as long as there's no injury, you can usually expect the skater to keep the triples for at least the first few years after retirement. Look at Shizuka.

I think Shizuka worked and trained a lot harder than Yuna to maintain her triples. Yuna on the other hand allowed herself to take on many other non-skating activities, and she only does two shows a year. Shizuka really embraced her pro career after her Olympic gold and did many shows, and still does many shows.

In any case, we won't have to wait too long to see the state of Yuna's triples. Apparently she's going to skate in October in Korea's ranking competitions. (A qualifier for the nationals, I believe.)

l'etoile
07-07-2012, 05:07 AM
Yuna's strengths are toe jumps like lutz, flip, and toe-loop. I'm not sure how her toe picking is not ideal but it does give her a rare quality of delayed rotations and zero pre-rotation.

bardtoob
07-07-2012, 05:43 AM
But athletes aren't celebrities for being celebrities. They are celebrities for being athletes.

And if somebody sponsors/endorses you, then they expect you to keep as high as profile as possible given you are representing them.

No, they're expected to be athletes. Athletes inspire people by performing higher, faster ... Retired athletes are famous because they used to be athletes.

invierno
07-07-2012, 05:43 AM
I was hoping Yu Na would do it more the athlete way rather than the celebrity way, that is register to compete, train, compete, and collect platinum medals. I like to think of skating as a sport rather than a pageant.

I'm certain Yu Na wants endorsement deals and sponsorship, but I'm certain she has more than enough money to cover the cost of competing, so any new deals would not exactly be to support her training.


You have to understand that in Korea all the media is really curious about her status-whenever they have a chance, even in an interview for totally different matter, they would ask her about her decision. Retire? Comeback? Reporters would do some creative interpretation on her every moves then produce their own speculations. 'Yuna did this so she is likely to retire,' 'Yuna met so and so and it might imply retirement,' 'Yuna cut her hair so she's not coming back,' blah blah blah.
Yuna clearly said she would make up her mind before summer, so whether it was retirement or comeback, news conference was bound to happen. Such thing as 'athlete way' comeback for Yuna was impossible from the beginning.

As for her endorsements, a marketing expert once said in an interview that for sponsors it doesn't matter whether she competes or not, because Yuna is now much bigger than a skater, and also said the kind of speculation that she would lose endorsements if she retires is naive and ridiculous. According to the interview, through the series of social activities including Pyeongchang bidding, she successfully built 'reliable, excellent, prestigious, representative' image so that she won't have any problem to get endorsements at least until 2018.

By the way, I'm all for making legitimate money when you can. The more, the better. There are so many good deeds you can do with all that money, such as making donations, just like Yuna does.:D


Anyway, it must have been a difficult decision for her, but I'm really glad she chose to compete. Hope everything goes well and she could enjoy it.

bardtoob
07-07-2012, 05:51 AM
I know it does not matter if she competes, and I would not mind if she retired to do things bigger than skating.

However, I expect more from her ... and Evan, etc ... I don't like people that say they are going to do something and then don't even try, yet get rewarded for it. However, she is not at that point, so let's see.

... I still don't think comebacks that start with press conferences are a good sign.

lakewood
07-07-2012, 09:43 AM
I'm certain Yu Na wants endorsement deals and sponsorship, but I'm certain she has more than enough money to cover the cost of competing, so any new deals would not exactly be to support her training.


YuNa does not need more endorsments because she has enough of them. According to a survey conducted by a paper, she made the biggest money from endorsements in the whole Korea in the first half of 2012.

RunnersHigh
07-07-2012, 11:21 AM
Watching Yuna skate this year, it occured to me that the only jump technique that is sound for her is the axel. I'm guessing Brian coached that jump for her
This year, Yuna just skated four times in ice shows held in Korea and China And just "Someone like You" has two jumps, 2A and 3T. You mean her 3T? And Your guess is wrong because Yuna already had the jumps at age 11 or 12, 5 yrs before coached by him.


but it seems he didn't try and change any of the other jumps.
You mean sir, Brian didn't do anything with her jumps? Like thousands other skaters and coaches, *changing* axis of body, arm position, point to pick, air position, choreography before and after, etc, Yuna and Sir, Orser trained all the jumps again and again all the time. And 2 yrs went by after they broke up.


I was referring to her toe jumps. The way she picks the ice was not ideal and would cause under-rotation in anyone with less entry speed. Yuna's entry speed used to be spectacular. For her to be able to do 3-3 with the same technique might now be difficult. (The ideal textbook toe pick, for comparison, would be Elizaveta's.)
Her toe jumps this year until now were only 3T right after 3 turn. It's just one out of 3 toe jumps. And from when picking ice was everything on rotation? And how can you define whether they were 'not ideal'? And the jumps were done in ice shows where vastly short in length and where there is a lightening and dark. :duh:


For her to be able to do 3-3 with the same technique might now be difficult. (The ideal textbook toe pick, for comparison, would be Elizaveta's.)

If you have a minute to spare, translate this artitcle (http://isplus.joinsmsn.com/article/641/8640641.html?cloc=) or quote below in Japanese.


김연아의 어린 시절 은사인 류종현 코치는 "그동안 하루 4시간 정도 매일 개인훈련을 한 것으로 안다. 태릉에서 보니 연속 점프 등 뛸 점프는 다 뛰더라"고 말했다.