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sequins
07-01-2012, 06:22 PM
Funny after the movie 'War of the Worlds"I always use to joke that after Katie, Dakota Fanning would be his next project. It's scary though I wouldn't wish this creep on anyone. Why doesn't the 'entertainment' media make a big thing of 'Scientology' and hound these celebs to answer questions. I know there have been some things on it but I'm talkin' a big blow up. I guess maybe Cruise would just send his 'thugs' over and rough them up :rolleyes:.

PeterG
07-01-2012, 06:36 PM
Why does everyone keep referring to a five year contract? Suri was born six years ago April, and Tom and Katie got married six years ago this November.

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Up until that point, this thread has been the epitome of level-headed-ness. :rofl:


Nooooooo. It is definitely not okay to leave Scientology. Considering all the Scientologists in Hollywood, she might face some backlash from that sector, but she's a smart girl and I am sure she's aware of that. If all the rumors that she is primarily doing this to get Suri the hell out are true, then I can hardly blame her for putting her daughter first. Definitely the right thing to do.

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What a load of bullcrap! You don't even provide a link to any examples. Have you have heard of Paul Haggis or Josh Brolin (http://arts.nationalpost.com/2011/02/07/paul-haggis-josh-brolin-speak-out-against-church-of-scientology/)? How have their careers suffered from this supposed backlash you have invented?

A simple google search and one can find Have Any Celebs Ever Actually Left Scientology? (http://ca.eonline.com/news/ask_the_answer_bitch/have_any_celebs_ever_actually_left/136515)


That list apparently includes Demi Moore, who is listed as a former Scientologist in multiple publications and reports. An actor named Jason Beghe—best known for playing Moore's love interest in her film G.I. Jane, is widely credited as being the "first celebrity" to leave the group and then discuss his departure.

Mimi Rogers is attributed with bringing Tom Cruise into the Scientology fold; she is also now considered to be a "former" member of the organization. Ditto with Jerry Seinfeld, Patrick Swayze and Cruise ex Nicole Kidman.

By all reports, Kidman is still walking upright and acting in the movies, leading one to believe that one indeed can leave Scientology. Or, at least, take some Scientology classes and then stop.

Another result from a simple google search: List That Left Scientology (https://sites.google.com/site/biglistthatleftscientology/celebrity)

barbk
07-01-2012, 06:52 PM
Can't prenups specify in which religion any children will be raised?

dots
07-01-2012, 07:03 PM
:sekret: oh oh... the Scienos are closing in on Katie!

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/01/katie-holmes-tom-cruise-divorce-scientology/

overedge
07-01-2012, 07:04 PM
I'm not sure that Kidman "left" Scientology. IIRC she was raised Catholic and never fully converted, or whatever it's called in Scientology, to Tom's beliefs. And that supposedly was one of the reasons that he dumped her, that she refused to give up Catholicism.

Re Sequins' question about why the media doesn't go after the Hollywood scientologists: Most of the big stars involved in Scientology (particularly Cruise and Travolta) are represented by very powerful PR companies that are known for denying access to most or all of their other clients to any media outlet that says something bad about any of their clients. So if a media outlet was to, say, write a big article about Cruise's involvement with Scientology, it would likely never get an interview ever again with any of the PR firm's other clients, never get invited to screenings of films starring those people, etc. etc. etc. And unfortunately the media outlets aren't willing to take that chance.

Jayar
07-01-2012, 07:09 PM
Nevermind.

heckles
07-01-2012, 07:11 PM
lol

They are a dangerous bunch.

Scientologists believe that gay people are "degraded beings".

dots
07-01-2012, 07:24 PM
Scientologists believe that gay people are "degraded beings".


which brings me to my next question...


Is Tom Cruise a HOMOSEXUAL?

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We already know Travolta is. :P

michiruwater
07-01-2012, 07:25 PM
Yes, that is what I have read of Kidman as well.

I was surprised at your post, PeterG. Yeah, I didn't post any actual sources, so I guess I'll do that now, but as someone who I assume has at least read Haggis's account, I would have thought you'd have an idea where I'm coming from. Josh Brolin is doing just fine, but when was the last time Demi Moore or Jerry Seinfeld did anything? Actually, looking at the list from your 'simple google result', they're all either dead or not terribly famous anymore, again except Kidman. I haven't heard of more than half the people on your list, PeterG.

But it is pretty easy to find sources for how Scientologists treat people who leave:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/07/placido_domingo.php
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2010/10/daniel_montalvo.php

Not to mention the expose about Haggis itself:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/23/try-to-leave-church-scientology-lawrence-wright


Many Sea Org volunteers find themselves with no viable options for adulthood. If they try to leave, the church presents them with a "freeloader tab" for all the coursework and counselling they have received; the bill can amount to more than $100,000. "Many of them actually pay it," Haggis said. "They leave, they're ashamed of what they've done, they've got no money, no job history, they're lost, they just disappear." In what seemed like a very unguarded comment, he said, "I would gladly take down the church for that one thing."

The church says it adheres to "all child labour laws", and that minors can't sign up without parental consent; the freeloader tabs are an "ecclesiastical matter" and are not enforced through litigation.

Haggis's friends came away from the meeting with mixed feelings. This would be the last time most of them spoke to him.

So, yeah, I definitely stand by my statement that Scientologists do not look well on people who defect. Haggis himself fully expected a backlash:


I once asked Haggis about the future of his relationship with Scientology. "These people have long memories," he told me. "My bet is that, within two years, you're going to read something about me in a scandal that looks like it has nothing to do with the church."

Oh, or Michael Fairman's account, here: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/04/michael_fairman_1.php


Another effect of leaving or being tossed from Scientology is known as "disconnection." And Fairman says he experienced it right away. He had longtime friends in Scientology, people he had been close to for 25 or 30 years. "I lost all of my quote-unquote friends. One was my manager. They all just vanished," he says. "But I heard from a lot of people at Marty's blog. They're the only friends I have left."

Of course it is possible to leave Scientology. But Scientologists are not just like, oh, yeah, go ahead, we're fine with that. And while the backlash thing is definitely part conjecture on my part, and I can fully admit that, I think it's pretty logical conjecture.

PDilemma
07-01-2012, 07:36 PM
Jerry Seinfeld took in his words "a few" courses from them in his early 20s BEFORE he was famous. So I'm not sure it is fair to say he is not doing much in the industry now because he "left" Scientology. His own account doesn't make it sound like he was ever really a Scientologist. He dabbled. Link from 2007 interview in which he says it was 30 years before:

http://www.parade.com/celebrity/articles/071017-jerry-seinfeld-2.html

That's not to say that leaving won't be difficult for Katie Holmes. Just to be accurate about Seinfeld.

michiruwater
07-01-2012, 07:42 PM
Of the 12 celebrities on the 'big list', three (Andretti, Presley, and Reeve) rejected before becoming involved, and Seinfeld never really got involved. Of the other ones, the only one I'd heard of was Nicole Kidman. Kate Borstein, who is on that list, said her own daughter hasn't spoken to her since.

jl22aries
07-01-2012, 08:47 PM
Did Katie actually become a scientologist?

I would hope that by that same logic of her being alienated or systematically bullied by the scientologists of Hollywood, she would also receive support, sympathy and protection from all those insiders who are outside the clutches of that church, who can empathize with what she's gone through or know what's really been going on. I'm sure there's got to be at least some club of freed Hollywood wives that would come to her aid. Hmm, it's too bad the hiring, string pulling power doesn't come out of that demographic. Oh Hollywood.

People in that industry are aware of what goes on in the community, everyone knows who's sick, or suffering from addiction, or in a troubled marriage, or closeted, or battling eating disorders. They know more of what's been going down with Tomkat far beyond the image that reaches us...and even then...

What fun, Hollywood gossip.

Prancer
07-01-2012, 09:02 PM
Katie's career has been almost non existent since marrying Tom, leaving the church can't make it worse

She's done a few things (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005017/), including a Broadway play, but she hasn't been very good in any of them. She will probably be offered some things immediately because of the publicity, but I would think her success would depend more on whether she's good at what she does than whether or not the Scientologists go after her.


There have been a lot of rumors about Tom Cruise's marriages from anonymous sources, but the only person I know of who has been willing to go on record is Mimi Rogers.

I thought Nicole Kidman had given eleventy billion interviews about their divorce?

WindSpirit
07-01-2012, 09:16 PM
Rupert Murdoch: Scientologists ‘creepy, maybe even evil’ (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/murdoch-scientology-creepy-evil-twitter-cruise-holmes-161337674--finance.html)

Prancer
07-01-2012, 09:32 PM
Rupert Murdoch: Scientologists ‘creepy, maybe even evil’ (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/murdoch-scientology-creepy-evil-twitter-cruise-holmes-161337674--finance.html)

Rupert Murdoch: Creepy, maybe even evil.:scream: