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kwanfan1818
07-16-2012, 06:26 PM
Why am I even open to the idea that he may be gay?" and I guess it boils down to Scientology. Perhaps if he wasn't so creepily in love with his own religion, a religion that demonizes gays, then the whole beard/closet case rumors would make soooo much less sense.
For me it's the control over the press that Scientology is alleged to wield. If even a bit of the "Until the key defections, Rupert Murdoch was too intimidated to print negative news/gossip about Scientology" conjecture is true, then a lot more becomes possible and a credible alternative.

made_in_canada
07-16-2012, 06:31 PM
AFAIK, there's no Kitty Kelly type book claiming Tom is gay. It's all just rumor. Persistent, long standing rumor. But personally I don't go by garbage like this: God forbid a straight guy has a drink in a bar with his gay friends. I once stopped at a gas station just to use the rest room. I guess that makes me a Getty. :blah:


This. I'm heterosexual but I sometimes frequent our local gay bar. :shrug:

IceAlisa
07-16-2012, 06:33 PM
And that seems okay to me, too. If he's asexual, so what? Why do we need to KNOW?

I don't think we need to KNOW. But we clearly need to speculate. :D

milanessa
07-16-2012, 06:42 PM
For me it's the control over the press that Scientology is alleged to wield. If even a bit of the "Until the key defections, Rupert Murdoch was too intimidated to print negative news/gossip about Scientology" conjecture is true, then a lot more becomes possible and a credible alternative.

Alternative to what? If, in fact, Scientology wields that power then that would be a concern to me. I don't believe it at this time.


I don't think we need to KNOW. But we clearly need to speculate. :D

:lol: And I am reading this thread so I'm interested, I guess.

Rex
07-16-2012, 07:33 PM
:lol:

I understand it's hard for people to believe certain stories when they don't know the source of said stories.

As for sham marriages, I totally believe they happen in Hollywood. Maybe for some reason the idea of a storybook romance or marriage isn't a priority. Women beard for these Hollywood superstars in return for being set-up for life financially, maybe they get a child or two out of it, they get fame, live a luxurious lifestyle, etc. I think fame and money is more appealing to some of these women than an actual real relationship.
Hollywood sham marriages have existed, allegedly, since the silent era. One of the first purported "lavender" marriages was that of Janet Gaynor and fashion designer Adrian (though they married in the 30s after sound was introduced).

And judging by those famous shoulder pads he made, my guess is that he was in love with a football player at some point in his life. :EVILLE:

IceAlisa
07-16-2012, 07:48 PM
I knew you would know the term "lavender marriage", Rexy. Shoulder pads are so wrong.

Rex
07-16-2012, 08:13 PM
I knew you would know the term "lavender marriage", Rexy. Shoulder pads are so wrong.

Totally by accident. You know how I hate gossip... :P

I'm not a big fan of them, but for some reason, the "gay linebacker" look worked on some of those clothes.

IceAlisa
07-16-2012, 08:16 PM
Totally by accident. You know how I hate gossip... :P


Oh I know. We all do. :o ;)

Rex
07-16-2012, 08:21 PM
Oh I know. We all do. :o ;)

Why it so offends my sensibilities - yeahright!! :lol:
But about Tom - I've only read rumors and blind items online. There was the one incident a couple of years ago where the gay-for-pay porn star purported to have had a torrid affair with Tom, but it was quickly hushed up. Dude got seriously shut down. Either he was lying or Tommy and the Co$bots gave him some :bribe: to keep quiet. But it did briefly make the papers and the E! Channel.

I've been reading quite a bit of Datalounge too, IceAlisa. Someone there always knows something, or at least can tell you where to get info...

Prancer
07-16-2012, 08:25 PM
Big Tom Cruise fan perhaps?

Not particularly.


So, with no real case ever made for Tom being gay, I guess your question really is: "Why am I not 100% convinced of his heterosexuality despite the frequent public evidence made for it? Why am I even open to the idea that he may be gay?" and I guess it boils down to Scientology. Perhaps if he wasn't so creepily in love with his own religion, a religion that demonizes gays, then the whole beard/closet case rumors would make soooo much less sense.

That wouldn't be my question, because I think that the fact that people are so inclined to label celebrities they dislike as gay is essentially homophobia, but I do think Scientology is the reason that a lot of people think Tom Cruise is freaky and are so willing to believe whatever. That, and I think Tom Cruise just rubs a lot of people the wrong way and so they don't like him; he seems more disliked than any of the other celebrity Scientologists, although that could be because he is the most public of them, too.

So do people find Scientologists in general to be freaky people?

Rafter
07-16-2012, 08:36 PM
And that seems okay to me, too. If he's asexual, so what? Why do we need to KNOW?

Of course we don't need to KNOW, but Mimi basically told us (or at least hinted at it).

skatingfan5
07-16-2012, 08:47 PM
...I do think Scientology is the reason that a lot of people think Tom Cruise is freaky and are so willing to believe whatever. That, and I think Tom Cruise just rubs a lot of people the wrong way and so they don't like him; he seems more disliked than any of the other celebrity Scientologists, although that could be because he is the most public of them, too.

So do people find Scientologists in general to be freaky people?I don't know that I've ever met any Scientologists irl (if I have, they never shared that with me), although I do remember eons ago in college there was someone my sister knew who kept badgering her to attend some Scientologist events -- she even was given a copy of Dianetics. As for the celebrity Scientologists, I wasn't really aware of many besides Tom, his first wife Mimi Rogers, John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, and one or two others. Kirstie definitely has always come across as "wacky" but usually in a funny/zany way -- the others, I don't know enough about to have any thoughts as to their relative "freakiness" or not. As for Tom, I never paid much attention to him (I think I've only seen two of his movies) prior to his couch jump on Oprah and his public berating of Brooke Shields for taking medication to treat post-partum depression.

ETA: From what I have read about him, I definitely would consider Scientology's founder, L. Ron Hubbard, to be freaky -- and creepy. :scream:

Rafter
07-16-2012, 08:53 PM
It does interest me :) It's not that I care about Tom per se, but I find culture and media interesting, so seeing how all the players work in that arena and watching what happens when things like this occur is interesting to me.

Just as we've been talking about rumours vs truth and what defines a credible source, I find it interesting that one of the central players in this drama is likely one of the least reliable sources. At this point, I'd no more believe anything Tom says than a headline on a supermarket tabloid, or something that a someone's friend's cousin's florist's ex-boyfriend heard from a bartender in Ibiza who once served a guy who knew a guy who might have worked at a law firm. :lol:

It interests me too (obviously, or else I wouldn't be in this thread :lol:). I am fascinated by Tom, Will Smith and John Travolta and all the other Hollywood superstars and the women who allegedly beard them to hide their sexuality. Regarding Tom, I'm also fascinated by his involvement with the CoS and David Miscavige. The more I read on the Cult of Scientology, the more I am :eek:.

Jenny, love your second paragraph! :kickass:

michiruwater
07-16-2012, 09:16 PM
I dunno, maybe this is too simplistic, but I honestly always thought people thought Tom was gay just because he was pretty. Most people don't need a better reason. Or at least, that's what I figured.

skatingfan5
07-16-2012, 09:36 PM
I dunno, maybe this is too simplistic, but I honestly always thought people thought Tom was gay just because he was pretty. Most people don't need a better reason. Or at least, that's what I figured.:eek: Is this actually the "reasoning/thought process" of some people?!?! :scream: I guess then they would have assumed that Paul Newman was gay, because he surely had Tom Cruise beat when it came to looks. FWIW, I never thought that Tom Cruise was particularly "pretty".