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LuckyCharm
06-30-2012, 11:04 PM
Oh never mind, just introducing Leyva and Orozco. Everyone's being announced tomorrow.

But I teared up a little when they did.

london_calling
06-30-2012, 11:05 PM
Yeah, it was a great moment. So happy for them.

Karpenko
06-30-2012, 11:11 PM
But I teared up a little when they did.

I did too, so happy for them. There is going to be so much emotion in the arena tomorrow night.

london_calling
07-01-2012, 12:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhvguFLRgoE&feature=plcp

Suddenly, I'm all verklempt.

Theatregirl1122
07-01-2012, 12:53 AM
Raj Bhavsar! AKA the most hosed men's gymnast in history of selection committees.

Details on this?


Which events would everyone do with that team.

Floor: Dalton, Orozco, Mikulak/Leyva/Horton (Mikulak/Leyva/Horton in prelims but Leyva will go at least)
Pommel: Leyva, Orozco, Mikulak (Horton in Prelims)
Rings: Horton, Orozco, Dalton (Leyva in prelims)
Vault: Dalton, Mikulak, Orozco (Leyva in prelims)
PBars: Leyva, Mikulak, Orozco/Horton (Orozco/Horton in prelims)
HBar: Leyva, Orozco, Horton (Mikulak in prelims)

If you replace Mikulak with Brooks, he'd go on floor, he or Horton would have to go on pommel, he'd go on rings, he might go on vault, Orozco would go on bars, and he'd go in Hbar prelims.

I can see the argument for having him on the team but we'd be taking a less solid Pommel and not gaining much on rings or vault.

chipso1
07-01-2012, 01:19 AM
Details on this?

In 2004, Raj was 4th AA at Nationals and won rings at trials, but he was named an alternate and not chosen for the team. In 2008, he was was third AA at both Nationals and Trials but wound up as an alternate again. He was named to the '08 after Paul Hamm w/d with injury.

Braulio
07-01-2012, 01:58 AM
Jake Dalton must go to the team

It is pretty sealed, Orozco, Leyva, Mikulak, Dalton and Horton

and they will be also the porniest mens gymnastics team at London

Fridge_Break
07-01-2012, 02:09 AM
In 2004, Raj was 4th AA at Nationals and won rings at trials, but he was named an alternate and not chosen for the team. In 2008, he was was third AA at both Nationals and Trials but wound up as an alternate again. He was named to the '08 after Paul Hamm w/d with injury.

Not to mention in 2008, was passed over for a spot on the team by Morgan Hamm, who 100% did not deserve to be named in the first place. He was sluggish and sloppy the entire year, was blatantly overscored at Nationals and Trials, and was only named to the team because of past results.

Theatregirl1122
07-01-2012, 02:15 AM
So, summing by averages (taking the highest 3 by average in each apparatus, Sam is averaged over 3 for everything but pommel), I locked in Orozco, Leyva, and Dalton (Maybe I'll do more later) and took the combinations of Horton, Brooks, Mikulak, and Legendre.

In order:
Leyva (PH, SR, PB, HB), Orozco (FX, PH, SR, PB, HB), Dalton (VT, FX, SR), Mikulak (PH, VT, PB, HB), and Legendre (FX, VT): 278.0292
Leyva (PH, PB, HB), Orozco (FX, PH, SR, VT, HB), Dalton (VT, FX, SR), Mikulak (FX, PH, VT, PB, HB), and Horton (SR, PB): 278.02
Leyva (PH, PB, HB), Orozco (FX, PH, SR, VT, PB, HB), Dalton (VT, FX, SR), Mikulak (FX, PH, VT, PB, HB), and Brooks (SR): 277.45
Leyva (PH, PB, HB), Orozco (FX, PH, SR, PB, HB), Dalton (VT, FX, SR), Brooks (SR, VT, HB), and Legendre (FX, PH, VT, PB): 277.3257
Leyva (PH, PB, HB), Orozco (FX, PH, SR, VT, HB), Dalton (VT, FX, SR), Horton (SR, PB, HB), and Legendre (FX, PH, VT, PB): 277.0125
Leyva (PH, PB, HB), Orozco (FX, PH, SR, VT, PB, HB), Dalton (VT, FX), Horton (PH, SR, PB, HB), and Brooks (FX, SR, VT): 276.35

So it looks like, just by these numbers, leaving Mikulak off for Brooks and taking Horton is actually the worst thing you can do score wise. Legendre is actually better than Brooks by about .8 if you take Mikulak. Horton and Legendre are interchangeable so you may go ahead and take the experience and the better back up on the other events.

This obviously ignores Mikulak's ankles and ignores a situation where someone's average is not necessarily indicative of their abilities and what they are likely to do (like Orozco on PBars).

Also, if Mikulak had scored his average on the other 5 apparatuses today, he'd have finished 1.5 points behind Orozco and only .4 less in average AA score.

If anyone wants me to play with the numbers (Like take out someone's bad score in the average or add one of the other guys to a team) let me know.

ETA: For vault, Orozco and Leyva had the same average so either could go where I have Orozco listed.

Cloudy_Gumdrops
07-01-2012, 02:36 AM
It's kinda odd that you're keeping Dalton off of vault in all of your scenarios. He will absolutely be doing vault in both prelims and finals.

Theatregirl1122
07-01-2012, 02:39 AM
It's kinda odd that you're keeping Dalton off of vault in all of your scenarios. He will absolutely be doing vault in both prelims and finals.

Oh, I'm not actually. I accidentally transcribed his score into Leyva's column in the scenarios. Let me fix it.

ETA: Fixed, didn't change any scores.

Cloudy_Gumdrops
07-01-2012, 02:49 AM
I'm sorry, I just can't see Legendre making this team unless Dalton breaks. He's got no usable 3rd event and his VT isn't even a given like it is with Dalton.

Looks like Horton might me the weakest link (of the 5 that seem to be most likely to make the team). Specially if he keeps messing up HB.

Allskate
07-01-2012, 03:01 AM
Thanks for running the numbers theatregirl. I came to the same conclusions just eyeballing the results from Nationals and Trials, but seeing your number crunching makes it clearer. For anyone who wants to see the breakdown of results based on four days and three days (for Mikulak), you can see them here:

http://usagym.org/PDFs/Results/OT12SRMenDay1.txt
http://usagym.org/PDFs/Results/OT12SRMenDay2.txt


Jake Dalton must go to the team

ITA. And not just because he's good eye candy.


It is pretty sealed, Orozco, Leyva, Mikulak, Dalton and Horton

I agree, as long as they are not concerned about Mikulak having injury issues. I guess that, for the committee, the challenge is that the decisions are interrelated. If they knew that Mikulak had a high risk of being injured next month, how might that affect their other choices? It just proves that, under this new system, it really makes sense not to have someone on the team who is good at only one or two events.



and they will be also the porniest mens gymnastics team at London

Absolutely!

A.H.Black
07-01-2012, 03:26 AM
I guess the situation with Mikulak is this - he is still recovering from ankle injuries and day 1 made his ankles swell up. According to what I heard, his father (a doctor?) said he thought he could have done up to 4 events on day 2 but the coaches and medical staff thought 1 event was what he should do.

- He has 4 weeks till the Olympics. Will that time give him an opportunity to heal those ankles more? Will the training he needs to do in those 4 weeks keep the ankles weak?

- At the Olympics there will be a full day in between competitions. He won't have to do all 6 events for the team competitions - right? Will having 48 hours in between competitions be enough to get any ankle swelling under control?

I wonder if any gymnastics officials will be checking the state of his ankles tomorrow to see what (basically) a days rest does for the swelling.

HeatherC
07-01-2012, 04:34 AM
I thought Sam only had one ankle that was acting up because he slightly sprained it on his last event on Thursday night? That's what I read anyway (wasn't home so I was reading on Twitter) and if that's the case, I would think he'd be all right by the time London gets here.

SO excited for Danell and John to be officially on the team!! I'm catching up on their performances right now and they're going to be a formidable force in London. I cannot wait to see them both there! An I'm sticking with my earlier prediction for the rest of the men's team: Jake Dalton, Sam Mikulik, and Jon Horton. Jake's FX routine is AMAZING and if he performs it like that in London, he will definitely win a FX medal in the event finals. I'm SO excited for the US guys! :cheer: :cheer2: :cheer: :cheer2: