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06-26-2012, 11:13 AM
If it's between Shizuka and Lulu, I'd vote off Shizuka. Lulu had 3 great Olympic performances, an amazing span of years. She didn't medal in Lillehammer, but she was the cleanest skater there. For me her body of work through her career may be second to Kwan, even if she didn't win as much. I also think there needs to be more separation in scores on the artistic (not presentation) side, and Lulu as one of the most ably interpretive skaters would benefit more from this.

I've seen Shizuka live. I think she is a magnificent skater, I was wowed by her smooth edges, soft knees and regal carriage. I just don't think she gave enough medal worthy performances over the years, although the OGM and WGM are impressive.

I'll hold out on voting, too. I'd rather see Irina go than either of these two (or Tara), but I want my vote to count.

06-26-2012, 11:18 AM
Arakawa was so smooth, and IMO was one of the most smooth, polished, and effortless skaters out there. I still find her skating very under rated even though she didn't necessarily knock you over the head with excitement. Even her 3/3's had an effortless quality to the way she did them that I often had to remind myself what she just landed (especially that 3-3-3 she made look easy in Torino practice).

It will so be Kwan vs Kim :EVILLE: and it will be ugly. :watch:

While artistically the best I think Lulu is far inferior to the rest of the list technically and doesn't have the hardware these other ladies have.

Personally while a favorite of mine I think that Slutskaya is the least polished skater on the list, but one of the best technically.

Voted Lulu, though her 96 LP be my favorite out of every program any of these ladies have performed.

06-26-2012, 11:58 AM
The remaining contenders are:

Some Grand Prix Final Links (except for Lulu) this time.
01. Lu Chen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0iTLBYJ6eY)- CHN - 1995 World Champion.
I remember so well when I first watched this program. I was impressed. It was a beautiful moment for me. And I loved this costume too.
It's so hard to vote for her !

06-26-2012, 12:59 PM
You've got to be kidding. If she had been such a superb short program skater, why don't I remeber her being 1st after SP at the worlds?

As for 3A, I don't remember her landing a clean one these several years. Sure, she had some of them ratified, but for me at least, rotations were questionable at best. Only clean attempts that I remeber are those done when she was a little girl circa 2005-2006. Miss Asada has been living off her past junior performances for too long. She shouldn't talk about or attempt 3A she just can't land.

Lastly, when was the last time she landed a clean triple-triple? After 2007 Worlds, ISU got tough on underrotations and that was pretty much end of receiving free points with underrotated jumps for her.

what the hell, have you even been following skating, pretty much everything you say about mao is bullshit. Mao attempted, landed, and rotated countless of beautiful 3A, i will show you what amazing stuff you have missed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=327n8Gue9Ic............ and many many more

and to give you just a few videoes where she landed amazing 3-3 combinations:

here she landed two 3-3 and a 3A a layout that not even your queen couldn't dream of doing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz-AktwtDfs another gourges 3-3

and unlike your queen she has done all kind of tripples in her splended career, and pushed her layout always be her absolut maximum and thereby always pushing herself, and taking risks like one should in a a sport, and not go safe with the fricken same layout year after year...

06-26-2012, 01:30 PM
So some people want to make Arakawa go before anyone else.:rolleyes:
This is quite a poll, indeed.

Maybe these people have personal bias against her (each in their own different ways) picking her on details , ignoring her great qualities and abilities that deserved her World title and OGM, and her great presence and magnificence on the ice as a champion. Is it because she is one of the two who have OGM among the list ? Or maybe I should refrain myself from saying this, but maybe because she is the first skater from Asia who won OGM?
And I must add that I think people who say Arakawa is boring and not so great are ones who have had almost no opportunities to see her skating live or ones who only saw her when she was in a very bad shape.
Remember in Dortmund, where she won her World title (It was under 6.0), the audience gave her enthusiasitic standing ovasion already in the preliminary round. No need to say about the free skate, from the moment she started skating and as she continued, the heat and excitement of the arena grew up, up and up, and it nearly blew off the roof. The moment she finished, everyone jumped up on his feet from joy and applause. The people gave her the hugest and most enthusiasitic standing ovasion of the day.

I would say its because she was never truly dominated the sport and while she did win the OGM and was a very worthy winner-that Olympics was totally lackluster and she really only won because Irina and Sasha made huge errors in their programs. I would not catagorize her a someone like Sarah Hughes who was just totally lucky because, as you said, she had an amazing quality to her skating. She was just sooooo inconsistant- I mean one year you are world champion, the next year...9th?

No one is racist. seriously...Pu-LEEZE with the Asian stuff. With the exception of Irina, everyone left on the poll is Asian.

Anywhoo-I have no idea who to pick!

06-26-2012, 01:43 PM
Chen and Arakawa both should not have outsurvived Lipinski, and neither are in the league of the other 4 women on this list.

Agreed 110%. Took words out of my mouth/keyboard. But to me, this is a poll to determine the most popular champion on FSU, NOT the strongest.

As far as I'm concerned, Chen is weakest, with Arakawa not being too far behind (despite her OGM).

06-26-2012, 01:51 PM
i voted for irina compared to all the other ladies she really was the least polished artistically....

06-26-2012, 01:57 PM
what the hell, have you even been following skating, pretty much everything you say about mao is bullshit. Mao attempted, landed, and rotated countless of beautiful 3A, i will show you what amazing stuff you have missed

Don't be so emotional. No point in crying over a fsu poll. :D

I just watched your 1st video to confirm whether I had been wrong.
What you have elaborated as fully rotated beautiful 3A turned out to be a two-footed landing. As for rest, I gave up watching.

I'm afraid you and I seem to have a difference in opinion as to what a fully rotated beautiful jump is. My definition of a beautiful jump is one that has a clean take-off, fully rotated in the air, landed on one foot, and a nice running edge on exit.

Miss Asada never had a clean jump technique.
Otherwise, why would she bother completely revamping her jump technique so late in her career had it been so wonderful?
Get over it.

06-26-2012, 02:01 PM
Posting from Round 6 (in respone to another poster)!

Those 3-3 by Shiz mean zip when most of them were pretty clearly underrotated. Lu did 3-3 in her practices and had landed a 3-3 in competition before.

The other big thing you are forgetting is consistency. Shiz is getting a lot of votes because she lacked any form of it. Lu skated clean LPs multiple times in her career, which can't exactly be said of Shiz. Shiz was on the senior international scene for 8 years and Lu was on it for about 6 (excluding '97) and Lu had a lot more to show for her shorter career than Shiz does.

And if you call a 2 time Olympics bronze medalist (one of which should have been a silver), 1 World gold, 1 World silver, and 2 World bronzes a "not so amazing medal record," then I don't know what is an amazing medal record. Lu medaled at almost every worlds she was at and won a medal at 2 of the 3 Olympics she attended. Sure, Lu doesn't have that elusive Olympic gold, but her medal count is pretty darn impressive for someone coming from a nation who had absolutely no idea how to politick and fully back its skaters.

06-26-2012, 02:07 PM
I remember so well when I first watched this program. I was impressed. It was a beautiful moment for me. And I loved this costume too.
It's so hard to vote for her !

Chen Lu is the ultimate skating godess for me. The most artistic lady skater ever.

She would have won so many more medals had she been from a skating powerhouse.
Craptacular programs she skated to during her early career held her back also in my opinion. Her 95 and 96 programs were so much better than her Albertville and Lillehammer programs.

06-26-2012, 02:19 PM
They're both preety equal but Arakawa has the OGM edge and really paved the way for skating boom in Japan while its been almost 20 years since a good chinese lady.

Midori and Yuka paved the way for lady skaters in Japan waay before Shizuka. Shizuka's coaches had been to the most elite competitions, her country already had a taste of supporting great champion skaters. For me Lu is the true pioneer, in her country no one had acheived success at her level before...the coaching expertise, facility, fan support...indeed, China's enitre presence on the skating scene.. all came after she made her success. Only YuNa can compare in this respect.

06-26-2012, 02:41 PM
Agreed 110%. Took words out of my mouth/keyboard. But to me, this is a poll to determine the most popular champion on FSU, NOT the strongest.

Well.... yeah. There's no mathematical formula to determine the strongest, and people's criteria would legitimately differ even when removing the subjective "I like her more than her" aspect.

06-26-2012, 02:46 PM
Bye Bye Lu Chen.

06-26-2012, 03:04 PM
What were Arakawa's best performances other than at 2004 Worlds and the 2006 Olympics?

To me, she seems like figure skating's answer to The Cyrcle or Kim Wilde -- a two-hit wonder.

06-26-2012, 03:07 PM
Since Kwan is not in the running yet I'll go for Arakawa. I actually love Arakawa, but not as much as Chen.

Artistically, Chen had more beautiful and memorable signature programs, especially the Last Emperor and Rach. Arawaka's greatest moments were all skating to Turandot, which is a piece of music that really carries you. The program wasn't even new in 2004 (she had used it in 2001-02 previously) and the choreography, while ok, is not brilliant. People get on S&P's case for recycling a 4 year old program, but Arakawa doesn't get as much criticism for that.

On the technical side it's Arakawa for her 3-3s, edges, and being one of the few women to get a 6.0 for tech (granted it was at 2004 Worlds aka the 6.0 free for all).

I have to give the edge to Chen because she was a trailblazer for her country who really had to earn the respect from the judges, and she stayed in medal contention for 5 years all on her own merits. I'm not counting her failing to quality in 1997 since she was injured. Arakawa was never consistently at the top. She failed to make the World team for 4 years in a row, and that was during the Suguri/Onda years, not the more challenging Asada/Ando era. After winning Worlds, she dropped to 9th the next year... in fact her Worlds results are crazy.... 1st, 8th, 9th, 22nd.

She wasn't even that memorable during the Olympic winning season. She didn't qualify for GPF and barely made the Japanese team (bronze medal, 4th in the LP). In fact, fair or not, the 2006 Olympics has a giant asterisk for me because Asada wasn't there and she beat every Olympic medalist in senior competition during that season. Unlike Chen, who was the only top skater from her country, I think Arakawa benefited from being considered the top Japanese female at the Olympics due to her world title 2 years prior and the fact that Asada wasn't there. The judges kept the scores artificially close to Slutskaya and Cohen in the SP, and Arakawa benefited from skating after Cohen and knowing she didn't need her triple-triples to at least lock in silver. I always thought she won Torino mostly on the practice ice.