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oleada
07-12-2012, 09:37 PM
What this men did is absolutely vile. Are any of them facing prison time?

Those poor boys :(

KHenry14
07-13-2012, 12:52 AM
BTW, Paterno's son Jay was just on ESPN defending his Dad. Except, he didn't call him Dad, or Pop, or Father, he called him Joe. Very strange IMO. He also went on and on about the report being "not sworn testimony", and alluding to details that have yet to come out or things that wont be confirmed in a trial.

It's just sad that the Paterno family is so strident in their defense of Joe. I think they should just say that they are sorry this all happened and that they hoped that the public would remember the man that was beloved for over 60 years.

Twizzler
07-13-2012, 12:58 AM
This is a prime example of how covering up makes EVERYTHING worse. Sure, had they dropped the hammer on Sandusky in 1998 there would have been some bad press for PSU and Paterno. But in the long run, they would have been seen as doing the right thing.

Now they look like criminals (as they are) and they have caused innocent children incredible harm. And the bad press they are getting now, plus the likely 100million lawsuit(s) that they will have to pay out have cause far more damage than had they merely done the right thing.

PSU is going to deserve every penalty that is going to come there way.

This is what I don't get. People (JoPa and accomplices) say they were trying to avoid bad press. If you know someone on your staff is continuously doing things this vile, how can it be anything but good press to alert authorities and do whatever it takes to bring down the perpetrator? I would think way more highly of an institution that did that instead of the way PSU handled it.

attyfan
07-13-2012, 01:00 AM
What this men did is absolutely vile. Are any of them facing prison time?

Those poor boys :(

IIRC, two or three are facing perjury charges for "covering up" under oath. It seems that there was no legal requirement to report the abuse, so they can't get nailed for failing to do so. Hope that the victims are able to hold their feet to the fire in a civil suit, since I don't think the criminal law system will be able to do much more. Paterno is the only one I'm not worried about ... he's facing justice (IMO).

Theatregirl1122
07-13-2012, 02:07 AM
IIRC, two or three are facing perjury charges for "covering up" under oath. It seems that there was no legal requirement to report the abuse, so they can't get nailed for failing to do so. Hope that the victims are able to hold their feet to the fire in a civil suit, since I don't think the criminal law system will be able to do much more. Paterno is the only one I'm not worried about ... he's facing justice (IMO).

I don't believe that is true. As a University, shouldn't both the institution and the individuals be able to be prosecuted under the Clery Act?

manleywoman
07-13-2012, 02:46 AM
This is what I don't get. People (JoPa and accomplices) say they were trying to avoid bad press. If you know someone on your staff is continuously doing things this vile, how can it be anything but good press to alert authorities and do whatever it takes to bring down the perpetrator? I would think way more highly of an institution that did that instead of the way PSU handled it.

Agreed.

Lacey
07-13-2012, 03:07 AM
Graham Spanier was President of PSU, I believe since fired.

Gary Schultz was VP in charge of Athletics and Police. He voluntarily went back into retirement.

Tim Curley was Athletic Director. He was put on administrative leave.

The latter two are going to be up for Perjury in the State of Pa. court system.

I don't know if all 3 Penn State executives can be held liable for other charges. Spanier apparently didn't lie, but was part of the coverup. It would seem that others than Sanduskey should also be held responsible.

I hope none of the victims settle for cheaper than they are due: the moon.

Don't know if the estate of Joe Paterno can be charged for some kind of financial compensation to the victims.

Don't know if the individuals or the state can go after Sanduskey's savings. Do know that he will be allowed to collect his retirement while in jail, GAH, for presumably the rest of his life, I guess it will be given to his wife.

There may be charges additional to the Clery state ones, in federal court.

But the other 3, if not charged and/or convicted in either state or federal systems, should pay for the rest of their lives, if only financially.

attyfan
07-13-2012, 03:53 AM
I'm not sure if there are criminal penalties for violating the Clery Act. It is over 25K per violation for the institution, but I haven't found anything showing that prison time can be imposed for failing to report.

Theatregirl1122
07-13-2012, 06:25 AM
Good point. And I don't know what the mandated reporting laws are in PA so I don't know if they fall under that.

jeffisjeff
07-13-2012, 03:02 PM
http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2012/07/13/every-day-was-a-mistake-how-should-penn-state-deal-with-joe-paterno-2/?xid=rss-topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+ Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo


Don’t blame football. That was Joe Paterno’s message to the world about a month before his death. In December, Paterno penned an opinion piece that was made public on July 11, a day before an independent investigation concluded Paterno and other senior Penn State officials tried to cover up Jerry Sandusky’s crimes. In the op-ed, which makes no mention of Sandusky’s victims, Paterno wrote: “I feel compelled to say, in no uncertain terms, that this is not a football scandal.”

Louis Freeh, the former FBI director who led the probe into the university’s handling of the Sandusky affair — and found that the university bungled it with tragic consequences — thought differently. Among the “cause[s] for this failure to protect child victims and report to authorities” — a negligent board of directors, failure to comply with federal crime reporting laws, a “striking lack of empathy” — Freeh listed “a culture of reverence for the football program that is ingrained at all levels of the campus community.”

So it’s very much a football scandal, says Freeh. Who do you believe at this point? The man whose team interviewed over 430 people connected to the case, and analyzed over 3.5 million documents and emails? Or Paterno, who likely perjured himself before his death, since he told a grand jury he was not aware of a 1998 sexual assault about Sandusky, even though Freeh’s evidence revealed that he did?

attyfan
07-13-2012, 04:09 PM
According to this article, there is the possibillity of state charges on things that I didn't consider, like child endangerment:

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/12/12703541-analysis-paterno-could-have-been-indicted-if-he-had-lived?lite

Theatregirl1122
07-13-2012, 04:50 PM
I seriously don't get people repeating that "this is not a football scandal" crap. (Not you, attyfan, obviously you were quoting) Of course this is a football scandal! This would never have happened if this weren't for football. He would never have been protected, his victims would never have been swept under the rug, if the people who could have stopped this hadn't prioritized football over the lives and safety of children.

PDilemma
07-13-2012, 05:02 PM
I seriously don't get people repeating that "this is not a football scandal" crap. (Not you, attyfan, obviously you were quoting) Of course this is a football scandal! This would never have happened if this weren't for football. He would never have been protected, his victims would never have been swept under the rug, if the people who could have stopped this hadn't prioritized football over the lives and safety of children.

There was a Washington Post story the day after the conviction in which at least one neighbor said that there had been rumors about him for years. I heard a sports reporter from Altoona, PA, yesterday say that more than one student and campus worker said to him when the story broke that jokes about Sandusky and little boys had been common in Happy Valley for many years prior to the story breaking.

If your neighbor "creepy Jerry" who worked at that one office downtown and you didn't really know what he did had a thing for little boys...well, suspicious behavior by him likely would have been reported long ago. But when "creepy Jerry" is Penn State Assistant Football Coach Jerry instead...that's a whole different thing in a place that (per Louis Freeh) reveres the football program over everything else.

That makes this a football scandal no matter what Paterno made himself and his family believe.

jeffisjeff
07-13-2012, 05:09 PM
According to this article, there is the possibillity of state charges on things that I didn't consider, like child endangerment:

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/12/12703541-analysis-paterno-could-have-been-indicted-if-he-had-lived?lite


By not reporting Sandusky's activities and allowing him on the campus after these incidents, university officials essentially assisted Sandusky in his crimes. As the report poignantly states, university officials gave him access to the university and the trappings of a top college football program. The officials thus "provided Sandusky with the very currency that enabled him to attract his victims."

As prosecutors decide their next move, the Freeh Report offers a description of facts tailor-made for an indictment for endangering the welfare of a minor.

I wish they'd actually pursue those types of charges.

Twizzler
07-13-2012, 07:41 PM
http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2012/07/13/every-day-was-a-mistake-how-should-penn-state-deal-with-joe-paterno-2/?xid=rss-topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+ Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

I saw a news report with Paterno's entire letter. Call me cynical, but I don't believe FOR ONE SECOND that it was written by him before his death. If it was, why wait until the night before the results of the investigation were revealed. It should have been released way earlier.

To me, it reads like a calculated statement prepared by lawyers to shift any blame away from Paterno and protect his legacy.

It really annoys me that the Paterno's are so focused on protecting Joe's name and are not including any statements about their sorrow for the victims. At least make it look good by including SOMETHING about their thoughts and prayers being with the victims and their families.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, it was revealed that Joe Paterno had put his assets in his wife's name, essentially giving everything to her. The timeline is very suspect because the transfers occurred only a few months before the Sandusky news broke. At that time, JoPa was still the head coach, presumably healthy, and PUBLICLY not being investigated for anything. Why turn over assets? Bottom line is he had to know what was about to come and he was trying to keep somethings (house, etc.) from being taken away from his family. JMHO