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skipaway
08-14-2012, 09:45 PM
So, punish every single PSU student b/c of what Administration failed to do? How is that right? Fire the administrators and start over.

GarrAarghHrumph
08-14-2012, 10:04 PM
In addition, if they lose their regional accreditation, their students also lose their eligibility for most types of financial aid, until the school either applies and gets specific other types of accreditation, or gets their regional accreditation back.

But again, in reality, this is just a way for the accreditor to raise their very strong concerns and demand a response. I do not think that Penn State will actually lose their regional accreditation.

heckles
08-14-2012, 10:47 PM
Could you explain what being accredited means?

It means that some academics have to look busy for a few weeks. They can resume their siestas in September.

Anita18
08-15-2012, 01:03 AM
I was fine with them completely dismantling the Penn State football program and/or not letting them play at all for a few years, but if they lose accreditation, all the students are f*cked. There is no other way to put it.

I too do not think Penn State will lose accreditation. But it's certainly sending a message.

berthesghost
08-15-2012, 02:53 PM
So, punish every single PSU student b/c of what Administration failed to do? How is that right? Fire the administrators and start over.
Well, it's certainly a life lesson. Schools lose accreditation all the time and they also close down entire programs. How is any of that fair to the students? That's life.

I can't imagine how enrollment isn't going to be damaged. Why would anyone choose to go to such a school where this is not only allowed to happen, but encouraged to happen. Who would willingly associate their name with such a school?

taf2002
08-15-2012, 03:29 PM
Well, it's certainly a life lesson. Schools lose accreditation all the time and they also close down entire programs. How is any of that fair to the students? That's life.

I can't imagine how enrollment isn't going to be damaged. Why would anyone choose to go to such a school where this is not only allowed to happen, but encouraged to happen. Who would willingly associate their name with such a school?

As long as they have accreditation, students who live nearby who can't afford to go off to college will still go there. And anyone getting a scholarship to Penn State & nowhere else will go. But you're right, students who went there for the name will choose somewhere else.

I imagine the warning status was just so Penn State could be monitored. Everyone who should lose his/her job probably hasn't yet...they still have some rotten apples to get rid of, including everyone who thinks anything goes as long as it glorifies football.

wickedwitch
08-15-2012, 03:48 PM
Well, it's certainly a life lesson. Schools lose accreditation all the time and they also close down entire programs. How is any of that fair to the students? That's life.

And while life is unfair, we should try to make it less so. Removing accreditation doesn't help.

Punish the people who deserve to be punished, not the students that had nothing to do with this.

PDilemma
08-15-2012, 04:03 PM
The accreditation warning is a tool used to assure that the university addresses issues in governance that the Sandusky case shows were weak or non-existent. It is not expected to result in loss of accreditation as PSU will have a two year process to ensure that they are complying and administrators have been cooperating in the beginning of that process.

Link:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20120815_Latest_warning_is_unlikely_to_threaten_Pe nn_State_s_accreditation.html?cmpid=125459048

berthesghost
08-15-2012, 05:00 PM
And while life is unfair, we should try to make it less so. Removing accreditation doesn't help.

Punish the people who deserve to be punished, not the students that had nothing to do with this.
This warning is in aide of students. How is it fair to attend a university that allows rape for fear that they might lose a ball game if they don't? Penn state has been f-ing their students over for years. Schools lose their accredidations when they fail to provide a quality education. How is allowing a school to continue accepting money and profit from students they fail to protect fair on the students? If there are no other schools to attend in pa, then all the more reason to abolish this monopoly. I live in the smallest state in the union and we have multiple state universities to choose from.

michiruwater
08-15-2012, 05:30 PM
:huh: So, it's the job of the regional accrediting agencies to possibly force students to attend a different university because the school failed to protect children from a criminal?

I mean, what happened at Penn State is awful, and I can understand, to a certain extent, why they would risk losing accreditation over it, but the above argument makes no sense to me.

heckles
08-15-2012, 05:38 PM
Eh, somehow I don't think people would have cared about this half as much if the victims had been young girls.

milanessa
08-15-2012, 05:41 PM
Eh, somehow I don't think people would have cared about this half as much if the victims had been young girls.

Really? I think it would have engendered even more outrage.

heckles
08-15-2012, 05:48 PM
I think it would have engendered even more outrage.

Nah, there would have been slut-shaming all over the internet, naming the girls and intimating they provoked it. That's if it even made the news at all.

CDANN1013
08-15-2012, 07:34 PM
This warning is in aide of students. How is it fair to attend a university that allows rape for fear that they might lose a ball game if they don't? Penn state has been f-ing their students over for years. Schools lose their accredidations when they fail to provide a quality education. How is allowing a school to continue accepting money and profit from students they fail to protect fair on the students? If there are no other schools to attend in pa, then all the more reason to abolish this monopoly. I live in the smallest state in the union and we have multiple state universities to choose from.

As a student at Penn State, I can say, without a doubt, the education that I am receiving at Penn State is excellent. The quality is there. Oh, by the way, I am an adult learner at Penn State. The professors expect their students to do the very best they can.

Carol

Anita18
08-16-2012, 12:56 AM
Nah, there would have been slut-shaming all over the internet, naming the girls and intimating they provoked it. That's if it even made the news at all.
Girls as young as some of the boys who were raped? 10? How could you slut-shame a 10-year-old?