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Vagabond
06-19-2012, 07:38 AM
The tribe has spoken.

Joining Alexei Urmanov on the scrapheap of history is Todd Eldredge (http://www.lonnawilliams.com/image2116.gif).

The original contestants were the last twelve men to win a World or Olympic title.

The remaining choices are:


Elvis Stojko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kWnj03HxUw0#t=89s): Worlds 1994, 1995, 1997
Ilia Kulik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YhPlfpz5fEQ#t=18s): Olys 1998
Alexei Yagudin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sVYs2M_rIm0#t=18s): Worlds 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, Olys 2002
Evgeni Plushenko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21woRiBqrks): Worlds 2001, 2003, 2004, Olys 2006
Stéphane Lambiel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzhQkDlPCrU): Worlds 2005, 2006
Brian Joubert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPjL8pBzi6E): Worlds 2007
Jeffrey Buttle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypNSQb9heLA): Worlds 2008
Evan Lysacek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmJgGHIoawU): Worlds 2009, Olys 2010
Daisuke Takahashi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9zx_6PTmIQ): Worlds 2010
Patrick Chan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Nzn0K7yc4&feature=fvwrel): Worlds 2011, 2012


And for those of you who need persuading, here is an additional Elvis Stojko link: Worlds 1999 FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvOPisSQreI) :shuffle:

I am feeling particularly :EVILLE: this week, so this will be a double elimination but you get only one vote.

Who is the weakest link? Use whatever criteria you want.

:EVILLE:

gingercrush
06-19-2012, 07:46 AM
I am voting off Lysacek. Probably should be Joubert. But grrrr I hated the fact Evan scored so well in the SP and Oda whose skating was extraordinary did not. 8.0 for skating skills doesn't even describe his blade work that day.

Not a rational reason but I don't care. Oh and what did Lysacek do to get 8.75 in Interpretation in the sp at Olympics. Oda should have had much betters PCs.

Zemgirl
06-19-2012, 07:57 AM
I voted for Evan Lysacek, and I'll copy paste my reasoning from the previous round (in which I voted for Todd, but Evan was first runner up):


... compare that to Lysacek, who did play it safe jump-wise long after he had that stress fracture, while skaters who had suffered far more serious injuries (e.g. Dai) didn't. Playing it safe worked out well for Lysacek but it did because the men's event at the Olympics was such a letdown (possibly because so many of the top skaters had medical issues), not because he's a brilliant skater.

For me, it comes down to how good each skater was at his best. Lysacek, even at his best, was pretty meh. I do think he was very strong mentally and I also think he was fortunate to peak at a time when the scoring system aligned almost perfectly with his strengths and few skaters were in top condition. The same cannot be said for some of the other skaters on this list.
And also for his utter lack of originality when it came to music choices.

I think if it's double elimination we should have two votes!

t.mann
06-19-2012, 07:59 AM
And for those of you who need persuading, here is an additional Elvis Stojko link: Worlds 1999 FS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvOPisSQreI) :shuffle:

I am feeling particularly :EVILLE: this week, so this will be a double elimination but you get only one vote.

:lol: at your :EVILLE:ness.

Zokko!
06-19-2012, 08:19 AM
It's between Lysacek and Stojko for me. Extremely painful to watch both, but at least Stojko could do quads ... :P As a result I voted for Lysacek. Comparing to his skating efforts even a Zamboni ride is more im/expressive and more entertaining to watch. :shuffle:

RumbleFish
06-19-2012, 08:37 AM
I'd give it to Buttle or Lysacek.

Mafke
06-19-2012, 09:02 AM
I'm far from being a Lysacek fan (very far) but no way does he deserve to be voted off at this stage.

He worked with the system in place to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses better than any other man in his era.
I wasn't always happy with the results but I won't hold that against him and insist he should have skated by rules that didn't exist.

When the quad is an officially required element you can be upset at a skater winning without it and not a moment before.

I'm voting for Joubert because...

- there wasn't much variety stylistically
- he seemed to go backwards much of the time, I like his spins early on, very fast and very well centered but they just got tiresome later
- he put 007 on his costume (good thing, in a way, who'd have guessed otherwise)
- wildly inconsistent
- that's a start

briancoogaert
06-19-2012, 10:11 AM
Evan Lysacek !

misskarne
06-19-2012, 11:24 AM
Once again:

- A 3A is not a 3S
- Fake tan does not belong on the ice
- looking like a bad Disney villain is not a good look

sk8ingcoach
06-19-2012, 12:42 PM
Voted for lysacek... next choice would be buttle.... They just never did the hardest tricks which i believe makes them the weakest

Marco
06-19-2012, 12:53 PM
I am glad Stojko and Joubert are getting votes. They should be the next ones to go along with Lysacek.

But come on, Lysacek skated clean at pre-Olympic Worlds (at home) and at the Olympics and won gold at both events, that says heaps about his mental toughness. Neither Stojko nor Joubert managed to skate clean at the Olympics or pulled off all their big jumps there in their multiple tries.

Lysacek wasn't a great skater by any means, but then neither was Stojko. I loathe Lysacek's flailing and pretention, but I would gladly have him beat Stojko and Joubert on presentation or PCS if they skated similar performances. And he easily had the best spins and line out of the three.

judgejudy27
06-19-2012, 12:57 PM
Stojko skated clean at each of the 92, 94, and 98 Olympics. Well technically he didnt in 94 I suppose as he popped one jump, but then threw it in later. If you are implying that Evan is a tougher competitor than Stojko that is simply hilarious. Granted all Evan has is his mental toughness and consistency really, and Stojko trumps him in that, and atleast Stojko had great jumping ability, Evan has nothing remarkable.

I would vote for Evan, I was split who should go last round between him and Todd but this round is clearly Evan. Brian should be next after Evan IMO, but he is overrated on this forum so probabl wont be.

Zemgirl
06-19-2012, 01:34 PM
^^ Joubert had an undefeated season, six (five consecutive) podium finishes at Worlds, and ten at Euros - I think those are noteworthy accomplishments that kind of mitigate his unimpressive Olympic showings. I would even argue that his lack of mental toughness makes it all the more impressive that he has been able to put together the career he has. I certainly won't argue that he should last much longer in the voting here, but there are skaters worthier of being voted off at this point.


- he seemed to go backwards much of the time, I like his spins early on, very fast and very well centered but they just got tiresome later
I think you have the scoring system to thank for that ;)


It's between Lysacek and Stojko for me. Extremely painful to watch both, but at least Stojko could do quads ... :P As a result I voted for Lysacek. Comparing to his skating efforts even a Zamboni ride is more im/expressive and more entertaining to watch. :shuffle:
I'd rather watch Stojko than Lysacek any day. And I am fond of Zambonis, who are often faster and have a better pattern than many skaters attempting high level step sequences.

I'm curious who was the lone (so far) voter for Kulik, and why Ilia was chosen.

SkateFan66
06-19-2012, 01:44 PM
I am feeling particularly :EVILLE: this week, so this will be a double elimination but you get only one vote.

That is an interesting twist. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

judgejudy27
06-19-2012, 03:03 PM
It is a travesty if the two Canadians go out before Joubert and I dont say that just because I am Canadian (if it were Sale & Pelletier I would want them to be first out, and I am already trying to get rid of Bourne & Kraatz very early).