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Bostonfan
10-01-2012, 02:17 PM
Another question: does Charlotte know David Clarke is her father, or just that Conrad isn't? If so, has she reached out to Fauxmanda as her supposed half sister? It's odd that she's suddenly so trusting of Emily, but not her own beloved brother - did I miss something?

Charlotte is aware that David Clarke is her biological father. At the time she found out, Fauxmanda was gone, so she had no way to reach out to her even if she wanted to.

And while we saw a glimmer of Ashley letting Daniel cry on her shoulder when last season ended, Emily was unaware of it because she went abroad to re-focus.

ArtisticFan
10-01-2012, 02:39 PM
According to IMDB, it's the same character. Confusing as he looks quite different. The previous actor is apparently a huge star in Japan, so maybe they couldn't get him or he's too pricey; my bet is the sidekick will be the focus of that relationship going forward.

The original actor was unavailable this season so the part was recast.


Also, did I miss something? Did Ashley and Daniel hook up last season? Emily seemed surprised.


On the season finale there was a scene where Ashley said something about being sorry that she had told Daniel about Emanda and Jack kissing. He responded that he was glad to know now rather than after the wedding. She told him that she always had his back. Then he poured them drinks and they stared at each other over the glasses.

I'm guessing the time line is that Emanda left for Japan right after the finale so she wasn't aware or even concerned with who Daniel was hooking up with at the time.


Indeed. But this is the show that brought us the World's Oldest Dog, so I guess it's one of those things where they figured the plot was more important than authenticity.

Another question: does Charlotte know David Clarke is her father, or just that Conrad isn't? If so, has she reached out to Fauxmanda as her supposed half sister? It's odd that she's suddenly so trusting of Emily, but not her own beloved brother - did I miss something?

Charlotte knows that David's her father. Remember the scene last season where Emanda and Char were looking at the photos (that's where Emanda first learned of the white haired man). So my take on it is that in her moment of desperation - being dragged back to rehab - Char had four choices of people to confide in:

1. Conrad - The man had already rejected her once when he found out her paternity. Not to mention she could see he was believing the therapist.

2. Daniel - Better than Conrad, but the man was in a drunken stupor by then.

3. Ashley - As far as Char is concerned, Ashley is the hired help. She has been in rehab for the entirety of Ashley and Daniel's relationship. So she doesn't really know her except to say that Ashley is trying to take on the role as the new Victoria.

4. Emanda - While she doesn't know that Emanda is her half sister, she does know that she has been kind to her and even came to the art auction at her request. Though tentative, the two appear to have some connection and understanding.

Bostonfan
10-01-2012, 07:07 PM
Although this has nothing to do with the overall narrative of the story, I get a wicked sense of glee imagining Ashley's reaction to the news of Queen Victoria being alive. I'm sure Victoria will have a few choice words for her. Ashley better get Victoria's chair back in it's spot :lol:

Jenny
10-01-2012, 07:24 PM
Indeed, I'm hoping for a Dramatik Moment when Victoria suddenly appears at the top of the staircase looking viciously radiant, and throwing one and all into complete chaos. :)

Also, can't recall the exact conversation with WHM, but is it possible that Victoria *thinks* she's under government protection while they rebuild the case? WHM was the guy who sabotaged the plane, so he wanted all the evidence destroyed (along with poor Lydia), no? But what if he's the one that grabbed Victoria at the bottom of the steps - because why would the feds have kept her off that plane? Meanwhile it's another diabolical plot by WHM, who was working for Conrad but apparently is not now? Or does Conrad know she's alive, and is using this time to get a few things done around the house, including nabbing the kids' trust funds??

Artemis@BC
10-01-2012, 08:00 PM
Also, can't recall the exact conversation with WHM, but is it possible that Victoria *thinks* she's under government protection while they rebuild the case? WHM was the guy who sabotaged the plane, so he wanted all the evidence destroyed (along with poor Lydia), no? But what if he's the one that grabbed Victoria at the bottom of the steps - because why would the feds have kept her off that plane? Meanwhile it's another diabolical plot by WHM, who was working for Conrad but apparently is not now? Or does Conrad know she's alive, and is using this time to get a few things done around the house, including nabbing the kids' trust funds??

Yes, I'm just assuming that WHM is simply using Victoria and telling her she's under federal protection. No matter what I might think of certain branches of the US federal government ;), I think there's zero chance that they'd save Victoria but then allow the plane to be blown up with Lydia, the pilot, and who knows how many federal agents on board. Unless the whole explosion was a hoax and a ruse, but I don't think that either.

But I don't think Conrad -- or Daniel -- know anything about Victoria's continued existance. And, as far as I can recall, WHM never worked "for" Conrad, it was Conrad and his company who were working for WHM and whatever sekret society he represents.

Jenny
10-01-2012, 08:42 PM
Yes, I'm just assuming that WHM is simply using Victoria and telling her she's under federal protection. No matter what I might think of certain branches of the US federal government ;), I think there's zero chance that they'd save Victoria but then allow the plane to be blown up with Lydia, the pilot, and who knows how many federal agents on board. Unless the whole explosion was a hoax and a ruse, but I don't think that either.

Exactly. The only feasible thing is that Victoria was taking off, the plane went down thanks to WHM, and the feds somehow connected with Victoria and brought her back in - it's a stretch, because if did change her mind and was heading to Switzerland, then the feds would have had to convince her in a hurry to stay on board.

The more I think about it, the more things point to WHM nabbing Victoria for his own purposes and using the witness protection ruse to keep her on board.


But I don't think Conrad -- or Daniel -- know anything about Victoria's continued existance. And, as far as I can recall, WHM never worked "for" Conrad, it was Conrad and his company who were working for WHM and whatever sekret society he represents.

Well certainly no one would tell dumbass Daniel :lol:

I read one interview where the producers said this season would bring things back to the central characters in the Hamptons, and away from plot lines involving international intrigue, terrorists etc (which is a good thing IMO - things can get crazy really fast otherwise), so maybe this is still going to come back to Conrad.

Also, I'll tag this but it's not really a spoiler - just speculation on my part based on some characters appearing/not appearing in the next few eps: WHM is not listed in the credits at all this season - although that may not mean anything as IMDB is not always accurate. Takada is not listed, but his sidekick is, and we've already speculated that there's got to be a local tie of some kind there. It looks like we might learn more about Nolan's business, as there's a character listed as a Nolcorp security person in several eps, and a new young man, who could be a colleague involved in the same plot line.

manhn
10-02-2012, 12:51 AM
Oh, Takeda was played by a new actor? I thought this character was Takeda's assistant or something. A bit confusing.

So, when id Victoria know about WHM planting a bomb on the plane? Did she just let Lydia die? Poor stupid Lydia.

RomyNL
10-02-2012, 12:22 PM
Revenge is back and how!!!! Life is back to normal :-)

Jenny
10-02-2012, 01:52 PM
So, when id Victoria know about WHM planting a bomb on the plane? Did she just let Lydia die? Poor stupid Lydia.

My bet is she doesn't know it was him.

Artemis@BC
10-02-2012, 04:56 PM
^ I agree, Victoria has no idea who she's dealing with.

However this plays out, please let Lydia be actually dead. Her character failed to add anything to the story after Emily completed her first revenge against her.

Susan1
10-02-2012, 06:58 PM
Random thoughts:
It's a bit difficult to believe that files were left behind when the psych hospital was abruptly closed. Apparently anyone can just walk in and investigate.

Funny - the first thing that crossed my mind was Emily lifting up the 20 year old sheet on the bed. They should have cracked in her hands. And where was the dust and cobwebs? It looked like someone had just gotten out of the bed.

Yeah, things are always so convenient to find on shows like this. But I loved the episode. (Also the one the week before reminding everyone of what happened in the first season. Nolan's narration made me laugh out loud. He sounded like he was reading a story to first graders. And then the snarky, clever comments.)

*Jen*
10-02-2012, 07:37 PM
Another season opening with a flash-forward to a dead body in the boat that we learned has been blown up. This time we only saw an arm, so no realy clues as to who it is, other than male.


Unless I'm going mad, it was a male with a wedding ring?

Artemis@BC
10-02-2012, 07:45 PM
Unless I'm going mad, it was a male with a wedding ring?

Hmm, I didn't spot that, but could be. Not that that really rules anyone out. Either Jack or Daniel could be married by Labour Day. We don't know anything about Takeda's assistnt yet. Or, like last year, could be someone we haven't met yet ...

Jenny
10-02-2012, 08:48 PM
Unless I'm going mad, it was a male with a wedding ring?

Saw a screen cap - there's a ring. At first I thought they might try to trick us into thinking it was a man - there was what appeared to be a suit cuff and a largish hand, and yet bloating could have caused that - but I guess it is in fact a man.

Could be anyone - Jack could be in line for a shotgun wedding, but there are any number of reasons someone might have a ring on who isn't even married, and of course it could be someone we haven't met yet.

Apparently the reveal will be in ep 14, so plenty of time for the writers to change their minds, like I'm sure they did last season to keep the spoilers at bay.

cruisin
10-02-2012, 10:01 PM
Didn't anyone else notice the compass or pocket watch in/near the hand in the water? And then Jack was handling that same item, when he was in bed, on the boat.