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Anjelica
06-12-2012, 04:13 PM
Igor arrogant? No I don't think that I agree with that statement. He can be the most charming man on the planet when he wants to be and he does demand commitment and hard work from his students. I would not call him mean, moody at times but not mean. No offense intended to anyone but he is Russian and thinks like a Russian coach! The guy is a genius at what he does and he is a Master politician; again, this is simply his pattern repeating itself ~ after his teams have 'peaked' he always loses interest in them and focuses on his up and comers. So no surprises at all here; ask B & A and L & T if you want confirmation of what I said.

VIETgrlTerifa
06-12-2012, 04:17 PM
The Shibs need to go all Duschenay-like to win over the judges and audience again. Then the talk of being limited will stop.

Ziggy
06-12-2012, 04:39 PM
There are rumors (Artur Verner again, I'm not sure if this source is reliable, but still) that the Shibutanis want to join Krylova's group :shuffle:

As much as this could help them develop artistically, the Krylova/Camerlengo camp seems full as it is.


But, that's my point. As original and creative as the Kerrs were, they were consistently under marked.

No, they weren't.

They just totally failed on technical elements time and time again and their basics weren't as strong as those of other top teams.


I think the judges like the romantic shtick. There is also this mentality that there has to be passion in ice dancing, and that brother/sister teams can't show that. I'm not saying I agree, just that its there.

Duchesnays lacked passion?

barbk
06-12-2012, 04:40 PM
The Kerrs were marked fairly enough and mainly suffered on their technical score rather than PCS. It was always a struggle for the teams who had to adapt to IJS from 6.0 to get the technical levels.

The Shibutanis have the opposite problem. Technically great, but very limited artistically. Judges are like the audience. They want to watch something that is interesting and not a repeat of a previous year's programme.

The Kerrs are exciting, but technically sloppy skaters. I can't think of a single program of theirs that I didn't enjoy, but when even someone in no teknik on ice dance can see multiple errors per performance, they've got problems. I was hoping they would go into choreography.

MacMadame
06-12-2012, 04:42 PM
I also don't consider him a developmental coach. Skaters go to him at the Junior or Senior level usually. Someone else does the developing. I can think of two skaters he had a a very low level: Shannon Wingle and Jamie Silverstein. To me, a developmental coach takes a skater from the ground up (Juvenile-??) and builds a successful skater/team. Yasa and Yuri did that and the Wheaton coaches are doing that now.
He's had many teams at lower levels. I have seen him at Sectionals coaching Novice teams, for example. We just don't hear about it because those teams tend to break up 10x before they get to the Jr. and Senior level. Also, it's been less and less true over the years and I think that's part of the problem. He likes working with those younger teams but right now he only has Senior teams. (Well, had. :lol:)

The last time I saw him with a Novice team was 2004 or 2005?? I can't remember. I bet Sylvia does.


I have seen him work with his teams and he is intense but not anything like what you would imagine a mean Russian coach to be

He can be a steamroller when he's working. If you've been run over by him, you won't necessarily like him.

cruisin
06-12-2012, 04:53 PM
He can be a steamroller when he's working. If you've been run over by him, you won't necessarily like him.

He's also raided teams, not so cool!

skatemommy
06-12-2012, 05:00 PM
Question, does Igor's wife teach at Artic?

nylynnr
06-12-2012, 05:07 PM
Regarding Igor's record as a developmental coach, he teamed Belbin and Agosto in the late 1990s and coached them through Gotenburg. As previously noted, he also did well with Jamie Silverstein and others. He has several junior teams now, and may well coach more at the developmental level in the seasons ahead. One may post opinions about his personality -- I have found him to be understated and professional at practices and events -- and who did what to whom at Canton, but Shpilband's track record and ability is beyond question, as is Zoueva's.

Being a cloying Pollyanna, maybe this split will work out well in the end, and two impressive ice dance camps will be created where there once was one. Certainly there seems to be a lot of ice in the state of Michigan.

sk8ers
06-12-2012, 05:10 PM
Question, does Igor's wife teach at Artic?

Yes--Adrienne Lebda

Twizzler
06-12-2012, 05:12 PM
He's had many teams at lower levels. I have seen him at Sectionals coaching Novice teams, for example. We just don't hear about it because those teams tend to break up 10x before they get to the Jr. and Senior level. Also, it's been less and less true over the years and I think that's part of the problem. He likes working with those younger teams but right now he only has Senior teams. (Well, had. :lol:)

The last time I saw him with a Novice team was 2004 or 2005?? I can't remember. I bet Sylvia does.



He can be a steamroller when he's working. If you've been run over by him, you won't necessarily like him.

He had a Novice Team at that time- Shannon Wingle and Kurt Lingenfelter. I don't remember ever seeing him with multiple young teams (Juvenile/Intermediate). Novice is typically as low as he goes, skaters usually go to him after they've had some success at the lower levels. I can't think of one team he put together at the lower levels that gained success. He had Jamie/Justin and Shannon/ Kurt.

Debbie S
06-12-2012, 05:23 PM
I think he started coaching Madison Chock when she was in Intermediate. When he started working with Charlotte Lichtman, she was at the Junior level, but she was new to ice dance.

cruisin
06-12-2012, 05:28 PM
He had a Novice Team at that time- Shannon Wingle and Kurt Lingenfelter. I don't remember ever seeing him with multiple young teams (Juvenile/Intermediate). Novice is typically as low as he goes, skaters usually go to him after they've had some success at the lower levels. I can't think of one team he put together at the lower levels that gained success. He had Jamie/Justin and Shannon/ Kurt.

Neither of which stayed together. Shannon, in fact, has had multiple partners.

Macassar88
06-12-2012, 05:36 PM
That's a very bad excuse.

If anything is limiting, it's doing the usual romantic shtick that has been done to death.

Look at Kerrs. They thrived on having to come up with various other concepts and showed us some very original and creative routines.

Also the duchesnays
I wonder whether this means that other teams leave as well. Hoping for Tessa and Scott to go somewhere else (maybe even to Igor)

sap5
06-12-2012, 05:37 PM
Regarding Igor's record as a developmental coach, he teamed Belbin and Agosto in the late 1990s and coached them through Gotenburg. As previously noted, he also did well with Jamie Silverstein and others. He has several junior teams now, and may well coach more at the developmental level in the seasons ahead. One may post opinions about his personality -- I have found him to be understated and professional at practices and events -- and who did what to whom at Canton, but Shpilband's track record and ability is beyond question, as is Zoueva's.



Igor coached Silverstein/Pekarek, and young B/A, with Liz Coates. Liz was the one who was credited with giving both teams strong basic skills. When Liz left, S/P were no more, and people started criticizing B/A for sacrificing technique for speed.

Macassar88
06-12-2012, 05:41 PM
The Kerrs are exciting, but technically sloppy skaters. I can't think of a single program of theirs that I didn't enjoy, but when even someone in no teknik on ice dance can see multiple errors per performance, they've got problems. I was hoping they would go into choreography.

There's still good time for that
They are making good money touring though