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Zemgirl
06-10-2012, 11:23 AM
If I understand correctly, they made that choice in part because of public outrage. Did I get that wrong?

Seems like a waste of time to me. After all, it's not as if Yunah is ever going to get a PhD in nuclear physics or become a candidate for the Nobel Prize for Literature.

It appears to me that in part, Team YNK feels it is necessary to do this to quell the public outrage about her unfairly tarnished reputation. But please correct me if I'm wrong. And off course, that team has good reason to keep churning out Yunah news as there a lot of fingers in that abundant pie.
I'm not sure; this isn't something I've been paying much attention to, but the posts in this thread make it seem as though whatever public outrage there is has been directed toward the person who criticized Yu-na rather than Yu-na herself. Wouldn't filing a lawsuit just drag the situation out longer? How does it benefit her to do that?

Looking at Yu-na as a brand , I'm not sure this situation is being managed wisely. But I am largely unfamiliar with Korean media and culture and maybe her people know what they're doing - this time and in the past.

I do feel sorry for Yu-na in the sense that she can't live anything resembling a normal life in her own country.

RunnersHigh
06-10-2012, 12:50 PM
If I understand correctly, they made that choice in part because of public outrage. Did I get that wrong?
Well, not exactly. What he said was not limited Yuna only. I mean his words insulted Yuna, her parents, Jinseon girl's high school and Korea Univ. Even if there always had been similar libel from time to time, team Yuna just ignored. But this time it's entirely different.


Seems like a waste of time to me. After all, it's not as if Yunah is ever going to get a PhD in nuclear physics or become a candidate for the Nobel Prize for Literature.
Quiet right. I know it's just kidding. :lol:


It appears to me that in part, Team YNK feels it is necessary to do this to quell the public outrage about her unfairly tarnished reputation. But please correct me if I'm wrong. And off course, that team has good reason to keep churning out Yunah news as there a lot of fingers in that abundant pie.
What you have to know is,
When Hwang's interview was known to public, many believed his words.
Media and public blamed Yuna and her teaching practice in belief that there will be no mistake because he is a famous university professor.
Whole nation read, saw and heard this.
His groundless slander offended many.


I am curious how you would take this but "In Korea, one's silence on an event has been taken as an admission of guilt." As I wrote above, it became a nation wide issue and Team Yuna had to express their stance not only for themselves but also for the Honor of students and teachers of Jinseon girls' high school and that of Korea Univ.


I can't say I have particular admiration for Yunah (as I do others who've used their celebrity and wealth well, like Kwan). I don't feel much of anything about her to be honest, but do question whether she's had the opportunity to become an independent-thinking person who makes her own decisions, or if she remains controlled by her mother, agent, and others who drive the engines of her celebrity.

The Orser situation did raise this question but I never reached any conclusions about that situation and stopped following the story as it was entirely crazy-making.
Yuna said it was her decision not to extend coaching contract with Sir Orser and again it was Yuna who determined to consult the case and sue him. She is now an adult in University senior.

As who works at a sizable court, I don't believe legal system would help or punish heavily anyone with this case. But it will furnish lessons for the future to those who bombard rough words.

Hope it help you.

kwanfan1818
06-10-2012, 04:58 PM
I don't think anyone is suggesting that she do nothing. What is being questioned is whether suing him was a good ideav.

There are plenty of way of taking the high road and skewering your opponent. One is by killing with kindness, like "I'm sorry that Mr. Huang is so misguided..." for example.

EricRohmer
06-11-2012, 01:02 PM
What bothers me about this whole public teaching trial thing is that the motive for it seems to be just another public relations ploy rather than a serious learning course for her to become a teacher.

Korean stars majoring in whatever-education(actor Kwon SangWoo etc.) all have the 'short' open media session at the first day of a teaching practice.
That reason : so that reporters will not bother anymore students & the school for the rest of 4 weeks.
Actually there was no media coverage of Yuna's internship after the '20 minutes' open media session. (So professor Hwang was convinced that Yuna would have shown up at high school only ond day. Later, when a reporter said to Hwang that on his collecting information Yuna has been sincerely attending the teaching practice every day, Hwang said "Oh is it so...? But... I want that you investigate at accurately what time Yuna has got to & from high school 'every single day' and let me know.")

p.s) Kwon SangWoo(actor)'s teaching practice, 2003-05 http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5715/58142389.jpg
Park TaeHwan(OGM swimmer)'s teaching practice, 2011-09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxJyiTScI8



How did the students react? They were unhappy that their class was being ruined by all the flash photography and noise so they started booing.

As lakewood said, the students booed because the cameras gave a flood of flashlights to Yuna.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fu7HEawpRc
[0:13~]
students : (booing)
Yuna : Why?
students : (to reporters) Don't disturb Yuna. Her face would be worn away (due to much flash). (laughs)

When some media were reluctant to leave after the appointed time for the press, [2:33~] the students shouted "get out~ get out~" at the reporters and they started withdrawing and the girls clapped. So the rest(30 minutes) of Yuna's class continued under quiet atmosphere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix5cS0AC6Sw

So this media session restricted to 20 minutes was not a big deal to all except professor Hwang.


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Some people don't have to worry about Yuna's growing up.
If the degree of one's growth is measured by putting up with silly or unsilly criticisms, Yuna's mental age is now 80 years old.

And professor Hwang is not 'the poor old professor' as a few people think.
He is a 49-year-old professor with a weird personality and BIG ego, and has been enormously exposed through the media for about 10 years. (That is enough for him to have a little of power on the media and masses.)
Because like this he loves so much the media activities, he tends to care less about his lectures. This is a reason why he has not got much respect from his students(including me).
Actually when some of his former/current students heard the news that professor Hwang made verbal mistakes and was sued, their reaction was a kind of "lol. I knew this was going to happen someday".

And Hwang now is keeping on changing his words and lying, so contradictions are happening between his words.

Sorry for my poor English. :yikes:

Dragonlady
06-11-2012, 03:27 PM
Every year Yu-Na is involved in a law suit for some reason or another. This is very poor business practice. A law suit should be seen as a last resort in settling disputes as they are expensive, time consuming, and take both time and energy away from more profitable pursuits.

This case is especially bad from a PR point of view: Yu-Na is very wealthy and the professor is not. This could be seen as bullying someone with a legitimate point, into silence. If athletes are being gifted with degrees they don't have the class time to merit, then Yu-Na could have said that while she is aware that this has gone on, it wasn't true in her case. Instead, she has attacked the man who criticized the system.

In her previous law suits, Yu-Na has taken on corporations with enormous assets. In this case, she has attacked a working man. Not the same thing at all.

Whoever is managing her business affairs is making her seem like a very contentious person to deal with. Not a good image for prospective employers.

RumbleFish
06-11-2012, 04:09 PM
EricRhomer,

Pointing your fingers at other people who have done the same act won't justify her actions of using children's education as a PR tool.

I would have been down right angry to have my child's right to receive a quality education ruined by those bunch of media people with their flash photography, and I am pretty sure I am not the only one.
Do you think that the professor, or other critiques such as I, would have been so vocal against it had she carried out her teaching mission quietly without turning it into such a media bonanza?

In addition, I don't get your personal bashing of the professor for matters that have nothing to do with his criticisms of YNK.
Are you faultless?
Is YNK really divine like some posters here claim her to be?

I don't know the person and I really don't care to know.
All I am aware is that he made some valid criticisms about cozy relationships between universities and their student athletes exchanging favors, although he didn't get all of his facts straight during the process.

Anyways, I'm moving on, and in my opinion, so should you.

riveredge
06-11-2012, 05:04 PM
EricRhomer,

I don't know the person and I really don't care to know.
All I am aware is that he made some valid criticisms about cozy relationships between universities and their student athletes exchanging favors, although he didn't get all of his facts straight during the process.

Anyways, I'm moving on, and in my opinion, so should you.

too bad for you..this is the same professor that said a lot of nasty things in the media lately against Yuna and even predicted that Yuna will commit a suicide. Imagine that, a "poor" professor, a ""working man". :scream: Runnershigh will probably post some details on that..

by the way Yuna was criticized by some doctors for endorsing an alcoholic beverage, another one who is a writer criticized her because of political affiliation BUT she didn't sue all of them. she let it go. but this one is different.

like what i said, there's a big difference between expressing an opinion from making an accusation through false rumors.

so.. i'm done.

RumbleFish
06-11-2012, 05:32 PM
too bad for you..this is the same professor that said a lot of nasty things in the media lately against Yuna and even predicted that Yuna will commit a suicide.

I'm sorry to hear that things got so nasty.
But I must say that people tend to get emotional and say things they really shoudn't when tensions rise and a push becomes a shove.

Like others have said before, YNK should have just set the facts straight through a press release rather than trying to bully a person down to his knees.
She should grow up and realize that she isn't idolized and considered divine by everyone.

riveredge
06-11-2012, 05:41 PM
I'm sorry to hear that things got so nasty.
But I must say that people tend to get emotional and say things they really shoudn't when tensions rise and a push becomes a shove.

Like others have said before, YNK should have just set the facts straight through a press release rather than bullying a person down to his knees.
She should grow up and realize that she isn't idolized and considered divine by everyone.

she didn't bully him. it was the other way around. you're a professor but to say some nasty things about someone that you don't know and you did it not only once but so many times and predicting that she's going to kill herself and FOR YOU it's fine because people tend to get emotional. WOW. what a double standard. :rolleyes:

that's the problem when you have no idea about the facts in the first place. people making assumptions. people making judgments. people making conclusions.

yuna was really hurt by this. it was very personal for her. for the first time she's doing something outside of skating and yet you get slandered by someone who didn't even look at the facts. :rolleyes: what else you want her to do?

RumbleFish
06-11-2012, 05:47 PM
by the way Yuna was criticized by some doctors for endorsing an alcoholic beverage, another one who is a writer criticized her because of political affiliation BUT she didn't sue all of them. she let it go. but this one is different.

Since you mentioned it, I won't shy away from setting the fact straight.

She wasn't criticized for just endorsing an alcoholic beverage, but doing so while carrying out her duties of teaching children.

Criticism for her behavior was extremely appropriate in this case, and YNK would have been bashed to the ground had she sued the critique.

riveredge
06-11-2012, 05:51 PM
Since you mentioned it, I won't shy away from setting the fact straight.

She wasn't criticized for just endorsing an alcoholic beverage, but doing so while carrying out her duties of teaching children.

Criticism for her behavior was extremely appropriate in this case, and YNK would have been bashed to the ground had she sued the critique.

that's the thing, she received different criticisms from the past, almost everything.. but she didn't sue all of them. that was an opinion which can be debatable but this one is different. this so called "poor" professor made a 13 minutes ACCUSATION without even looking at the facts. :rolleyes:

RumbleFish
06-11-2012, 06:01 PM
she didn't bully him. it was the other way around. you're a professor but to say some nasty things about someone that you don't know and you did it not only once but so many times and predicting that she's going to kill herself and FOR YOU it's fine because people tend to get emotional. WOW. what a double standard. :rolleyes:

People retaliate when their backs are against the wall. If YNK cannot take this, then she should sue him for a larger sum. I don't think it will be a smart thing to do, but it will be an option.


that's the problem when you have no idea about the facts in the first place. people making assumptions. people making judgments. people making conclusions.

Ain't human nature a bitch. ;)


yuna was really hurt by this. it was very personal for her. for the first time she's doing something outside of skating and yet you get slandered by someone who didn't even look at the facts. :rolleyes: what else you want her to do?

Hate to be repetitive, but she should do it quietly next time she wishes to do some other stuff, instead of desperately trying to have everyone else know about it.

RumbleFish
06-11-2012, 06:07 PM
that's the thing, she received different criticisms from the past, almost everything.. but she didn't sue all of them. that was an opinion which can be debatable but this one is different. this so called "poor" professor made a 13 minutes ACCUSATION without even looking at the facts. :rolleyes:

If I understand it correctly, professor guy didn't get everything wrong. He expressed his opinion that YNK was putting on a show for the media, and this I feel, is valid. What he got wrong was his claim that YNK showed up only once, which didn't turn out to be true.

l'etoile
06-11-2012, 06:33 PM
Aren't you guys tired?

RumbleFish
06-11-2012, 06:38 PM
Aren't you guys tired?

Wasn't I on your ignore list? :P