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Ziggy
06-12-2012, 05:51 AM
I don't the Tarasova/Morozov team is analogous, because neither were stellar technical coaches, although Morozov's singles skaters stroking and blade efficiency improve, and neither is a developmental coach. Neither has really collaborated once they split what was a mentorship-based relationship.

Shpilband is a technical and developmental coach, and he's collaborated and team taught for most, if not all, of his coaching career. Even after he split with Liz Coates, he wasn't poison to other coaches. My question is whether Zoueva will be able to repeat her success without him, because I don't see her hiring a technical coach she won't dominate.

I agree with this.

I think Shpilband is going to be fine in the long run, provided he finds some good choreographers to collaborate with.

Marina on the other hand... we'll have to wait and see but I have my doubts.

victoriaheidi
06-12-2012, 06:07 AM
Do we have to close this thread and start a new one?

Iceman
06-12-2012, 06:11 AM
There is an old expression "cutting off the nose to spite the face". I think, based on what is known as of now, that is what has happened here. Can anyone identify the "noses" they found on the ice at that rink? lmao.

MarieM
06-12-2012, 08:21 AM
Marina Zueva tried to do this to pair skating and had an immense fail when noone came to her after G&G retired. So now she puts her hands on ice dance, and hope everyone will run to her :lol:
Problem is, it's Igor who made the school what it is, Marina was just lucky to have been invited to work with him.

In the long run, I'll put my bet on him, not her. And I'm like Asli. I'm defending a coach I don't appreciate that much :lol:

Japanfan
06-12-2012, 09:58 AM
I remember when Tarasova and Morosov controlled ice-dance and worked with every team on the podium either with coaching or choreography. After they split and each went their own way, neither achieved the level of success they had working together.


B&K earned their world Gold with Morozov and Takahashi did well with him.


Shpilband is a technical and developmental coach, and he's collaborated and team taught for most, if not all, of his coaching career. Even after he split with Liz Coates, he wasn't poison to other coaches. My question is whether Zoueva will be able to repeat her success without him, because I don't see her hiring a technical coach she won't dominate.


But V/M, D/W and (arguably) Shibs are technically developed, so perhaps they don't need the kind of technical development he provides? Much like Yunah going to Orser, or Yagudin, Shizuka or Mao going to TT. I know many don't think Mao did well with TT but she did earn Olympic silver and World Gold under her, and I don't think TT is responsible for her technique problems in recent years.

kwanfan1818
06-12-2012, 10:03 AM
But V/M, D/W and (arguably) Shibs are technically developed, so perhaps they don't need the kind of technical development he provides?
My comment was about Shpilband and Zoueva's future. V/M, D/W, and S/S are part of Shpilband's past.

walei
06-12-2012, 11:03 AM
Wow I have always been under the impression that Marina was the head coach and Igor was her first officer. Now it seems Marina came to Igor's 'school' and now is taking over?

But if Igor is the more important piece of the coaching team as people here are suggesting, why would the rink side with Marina (if the speculation that this whole situation was an ego trip between Marina and Igor)? What kind of stake does Marina have to make the rink management to give Igor the boot?

bek
06-12-2012, 12:06 PM
Wow I have always been under the impression that Marina was the head coach and Igor was her first officer. Now it seems Marina came to Igor's 'school' and now is taking over?

Igor's school was already well established long before Marina ever joined it in 2001. And he created some technically fabulous skaters long before he/Marina joined up. Skaters he coached from the ground up. When he came to the United States, he did not have this legendary reputation as a coach, and was not an overly famous skater (I believe he was a great Junior but.) The man literally built that school from the ground up and developed great skaters... Did Zoueva improve Igor's school-yes. But great choreographers are a lot easier to find than great technical coaches.


Marina has a reputation a s a great choreographer, she has not had great success with students she's soley coached. She after all didn't make G/G so great technically Zhuk, Leonovich others did. She also though has a rep of breaking up coaching partnerships. She might be better at people skills, keeping students etc, making the rink happy. That doesn't mean though she's the more valuable coach. The fact that the Russians are jumping up and down for Igor-says it all.

As for the rink, Igor might not be pleasant to deal with etc (never met the guy) but the fact that the rink thinks its in their best interest to keep the top skaters, rather than the coach who has a history of developing the top skaters, kind of says it all about the rink... Its not like saying it would be better long term for a rink to keep Kwan for a little bit while, rather than to have Frank. Here's a fact, Michelle retired, and Frank coached more champs.

The fact that people are so shocked, and you have people like Kerr saying things like "why would fire the best coach in the world says it all." The rink pretty much killed their goose who laid the golden eggs. :lol:

MarieM
06-12-2012, 12:13 PM
And the skaters killed themselves in the long run. Because the one politicking for its school was Igor, not Marina. He's the one closest to the ones important in ice dance. She's not.
Time will tell. ;)

bek
06-12-2012, 12:16 PM
And the skaters killed themselves in the long run. Because the one politicking for its school was Igor, not Marina. He's the one closest to the ones important in ice dance. She's not.
Time will tell. ;)

Well G/G never really got hurt dumping their coaches of course though they added other good technical coaches. V/M, D/W might be far ahead technically where it won't matter. Plus feds do politiking too.. Shibs though..:lol:

MarieM
06-12-2012, 12:25 PM
I agree for V&M and D&W, but I think the Shibs made a huge error, they're not "there" yet. They're fragile in the long run IMO ;)

bek
06-12-2012, 12:26 PM
I agree for V&M and D&W, but I think the Shibs made a huge error, they're not "there" yet. They're fragile in the long run IMO ;)

Well that was what I was hitting at with the Shibs. Although I'm not sure sticking with Igor would change much.

lauravvv
06-12-2012, 01:43 PM
I agree for V&M and D&W, but I think the Shibs made a huge error, they're not "there" yet. They're fragile in the long run IMO ;)In any case, that bodes well for pairs like Weaver/Poje, Ilinykh/Katsalapov, maybe Bobrova/Soloviev and/or someone else. They still may not be able to beat Virtue/Moir and Davis/White in the next two seasons (and Olympics), but probably will have one rival less for the next quarter.

dots
06-12-2012, 01:58 PM
Igor is a wonderful coach and choreographer. However I am not in the least surprised by this news or these problems with the top teams. History repeats itself, Igor typically tires of his top teams after they have 'peaked' and moves on to devote his time to the up and comers. This has been his pattern for many years. I agree with bek, Igor will have the last laugh out of this, we have only to look back at when he split with his coaching partner Liz Coates and see what happened after that. Igor will be fine in the long run.


I think Igor will have the last laugh because he got what he probably wanted all along. He now has his own rink (or will have)independent of Marina. I do wander if the fate of his Canton students was sealed the moment he became disinterested in them. One has to wonder why the same story keeps happening though. For god's sake he even dumped his own country! lol


I'm sure both coaches will be fine after the split. :)

MarieM
06-12-2012, 02:00 PM
Well that was what I was hitting at with the Shibs. Although I'm not sure sticking with Igor would change much.

Well at least, they'd have a solid base to work upon. I am still waiting for Marina's camp to deliver us the name of the technical specialist she'll hire to replace Igor. I doubt she'll ever hire a top name that could take the spotlight from her, but I am still waiting for any announcement. :D :cool: