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Jenna
05-31-2012, 04:06 AM
Kanako hasn't skated a decent long since she turned senior. It's starting to become a huge issue for her. Her SPs are almost always exceptional and rank her in the top three but her consistent bombs in the free skate cause her to finish much lower overall!

victoriaheidi
05-31-2012, 04:31 AM
I just hope Akiko doesn't get forgotten again. :( She's like the new Yukari Nakano.

lily
05-31-2012, 04:56 AM
More about Miki Ando. Looks like she's not thrilled about comeback...
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2012-05/31/content_15434373.htm

Japanfan
05-31-2012, 07:54 AM
well i disagree i don't think Mao has peaked and especially not in 2007 cause all the big title she got where in 2008-2010... and you are saying she doesn't jump like she used too, well what did you expect she barely got used to her new technique, a tragedie accours... do you think people are robots where the environment doesn't affect one, ofcause it takes time but i still think it's going the right way she may not be completely stable with the axel but on the other hand she has brought the salcow, lutz, 2a-3t, and is once again practicing the 3f-3lo which i would say is a is an improvement which will pay off.. give her time and i am sure you will see the old asada back faster then you might have expected i for my part really respect her decision and think she took the right one... and the biggest indication to her not peaking yet is that she changed her technique a skater who has peaked would never have the will nor go through the trouble of reworking her jumps! this clearly indicares that she is aiming for more!

Whether or not reworking her technique will gel, or pay off, remains to be seen. Mao is my favourite and I'd love to see her come back, but tend to agree that she's past her peak.

However, other ladies have gone through adversity and come out on top as older skaters, Kostner and Arakawa immediately coming to mind.

But it's impossible to say what the future holds for Mao. She's dedicated and determined, which is in her favour, but there a lot of factors which will play into how well she manages with her reformed technique.

Jeschke
05-31-2012, 08:02 AM
More about Miki Ando. Looks like she's not thrilled about comeback...
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2012-05/31/content_15434373.htm

okay, that article sounds not so promising for her return.
she seems to have finally found comfort in show skating and performing.
glad she realized, there is so much more in skating. she always seemed so determined in achieving good results, forgetting her artistry on ice.

seems like she had to sign the papers for grand prix very early, with no time to think about, so letīs see what will happen.
her final statement give sme some hope: fighting for a grand prix final medal, even thereīs some fire in her, go on miki

galaxy
05-31-2012, 08:07 AM
Asada's PCS was always higher than Suzuki or Murakami even when she had only one clean triple, but she often lost TES to them last season.




Not always. Last season, at both NHK trophy and Japanese Nationals, Akiko's SP PCS beat Mao's SP PCS. But I agree about FP. Mao's PCS bounced back and beat Akiko's by a pretty wide margin.

mikeko
05-31-2012, 11:15 AM
I just hope Akiko doesn't get forgotten again. :( She's like the new Yukari Nakano.

JSF is willing to do anything to send their favorites (with big corporate sponsors) to Olympics anyway. It's the same organization that sent Ando instead of Nakano to Turin in 2006 even though Ando terribly underperformed that season, and even had a fracture in her foot. Nagakubo, Suzuki's coach thought she would not make it to the Olympic team when he saw the judge panel at 2009 Nationals. (She did by 0.17 though JSF tried really hard to give the third spot to Nakano this time probably out of guilt.) The question may not be who to send but how to manipulate the selection process, especially when their favorites are not performing well.

I don't think Sato can fix Asada's jumps. He couldn't fix Nakano's wrapped free leg, and Asada's problems are bigger and more complex than Nakano's. Asada's 3F+3Lo is useless in competition just like Ando's 3Lz+3Lo.

Murakami seriously needs a new coach. Yamada can't be a good coach in this COP era. Puberty uncovered her technical problems last season. She had much better SP performances in the second half of the season just because she gave up her new jumping layout 3F+3T/3Lo/2A and went back to the old one 3T+3T/3F/2A. She's a flutzer, but 3Lo is not her favorite either. Her skating has speed, but so rough and energy consuming that she runs out of gas in FS.

Jeschke
05-31-2012, 11:30 AM
I don't think Sato can fix Asada's jumps. He couldn't fix Nakano's wrapped free leg, and Asada's problems are bigger and more complex than Nakano's. Asada's 3F+3Lo is useless in competition just like Ando's 3Lz+3Lo.



sorry, but mikis 3lz3lo combos were obviously much better over the last few years than maos 3f3lo. mikis were close/quarter to fully rotated, mao most of the time misses more than a quarter/half turn.


despite of that, hope mao can bounce back. i never was her biggest fan, but i like to see some comeback story.
she and miki in perfect form and shape could easily land on podium 2014. if they have the will and strength to go on.

AndyWarhol
05-31-2012, 11:39 AM
Asada's PCS was always higher than Suzuki or Murakami even when she had only one clean triple, but she often lost TES to them last season.

That someone has accomplished something doesn't necessarily mean that he/she will do it again. Every athlete passes his/her prime sooner or later. We are talking about the present and future but not the past. Asada was once a supreme jumper when she had a child's body, small and light. Asada now only has decent 3F and 3Lo, is not even consistent with 3T, and can not land clean 3Lz or 3S because she didn't learn the right basics while she still had the child's body.

My favourite part of your argument is the part about Mao's maturing body. Lol.

NMURA
05-31-2012, 04:23 PM
sorry, but mikis 3lz3lo combos were obviously much better over the last few years than maos 3f3lo. mikis were close/quarter to fully rotated, mao most of the time misses more than a quarter/half turn.


obviously NOT much better

pinky166
05-31-2012, 06:59 PM
Kanako hasn't skated a decent long since she turned senior. It's starting to become a huge issue for her. Her SPs are almost always exceptional and rank her in the top three but her consistent bombs in the free skate cause her to finish much lower overall!

That's not actually entirely accurate. Kanako skated strong longs at the 2010 GPF, 2011 AWG, and 2011 Worlds. THIS PAST SEASON, she didn't skate any very strong longs, her best being the 112+ she got at Worlds, which wasn't that great of a skate or score and won't be enough to challenge for a World or Olympic medal barring a number of odd meltdowns from at least a few of the top ladies.

Kanako's rotation slowed down after she grew, and her technique was never great to begin with, and now that's starting to show as she continually gets dinged with URs. Plus she doesn't have great spins or lines either, she doesn't point her toes, her flexibility is not exceptional, her legs are short, and some of her positions look sloppy. Even her 3t-3t, by far her strongest element, routinely gets dinged for under-rotation. Then she has the big flutz, mule kick into all her toe pick jumps, seems to struggle with 3lo and often 2-fts her 3sal. I would honestly be surprised if Kanako manages to medal, let alone win, a World or Olympic medal anytime soon because I think she'd need a major overhaul of her technique or a lot of polishing in her spins/stretch and artistry, and maybe both these things, to have a good chance, and that will take some time to carry out, if she even chooses to address these issues at all.

In my eyes, Kanako is the weakest link of the "top" Japanese ladies right now, but she's also by far the youngest, and probably the best hope for the future simply because the others aren't likely to stick around past 2014 and none of the youngsters are really exceptional as of yet. But the Japanese Fed seems to like her, at least prefer her to Akiko, so it's hard to know what will happen.

kittyjake5
05-31-2012, 07:22 PM
More about Miki Ando. Looks like she's not thrilled about comeback...
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2012-05/31/content_15434373.htm

Thanks for the article. I don't think Miki will be back, she makes it clear that the competitive circuit is not where she wants to be anymore. She seems pretty happy being a show skater. Whatever she decides to do I wish her luck.

Jammers
05-31-2012, 09:55 PM
I think Japan women might be heading for a slump post Sochi since Ando, Suzuki and Mao will most likely retire. Other then Murakami are there any youngsters on the horizon for Japan? There is not as much depth in Japans Ladies right now as there is in the US. Yes their top Ladies are better then the US girls but after about the top 4 their isn't that much in terms of quality right now for Japan especially in terms of younger skaters.

Leticia
06-01-2012, 12:46 AM
I think Japan women might be heading for a slump post Sochi since Ando, Suzuki and Mao will most likely retire. Other then Murakami are there any youngsters on the horizon for Japan? There is not as much depth in Japans Ladies right now as there is in the US. Yes their top Ladies are better then the US girls but after about the top 4 their isn't that much in terms of quality right now for Japan especially in terms of younger skaters.

There is Satoko Miyahara, who was in 4th place in this year's Junior Worlds.
Considering top three finishers are Lipnitskaya, Gold, and Sotnikova, she's highly talented young lady in Japan.

pinky166
06-01-2012, 01:43 AM
Miu Sato also has huge jumps and great technique and seems to be past her growthspurt. Needs a lot of polishing artistically, but could go further than someone like Miyahara who has itty-bitty jumps and is still super tiny so may struggle when she hits puberty. Also, Haruka Imai may stick around, she's inconsistent, but capable of 3-3s when on firm. If Risa Shoji can recover from her injury and work out her UR issues, she could also be a factor, very strong artistic skater with strong basics who has done well on the JGP the past 2 seasons.